The War in the Ukraine

SolarWarden

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I read on twitter one of the reasons the Ukrainians were firing off so many patriot missiles at once was because they knew a Kinzhal was inbound and to reduce the missile stockpile when they got hit.

Anyone know if that would be standard procedure?
Patriot doctrine is firing 2 missiles per target. Russia fired 9 Klibr's, 6 kinzhal and 3 Iskanders, so 18 + 12 + 6 equals um........ a lot. Russians launched all missiles to arrive simultaneously which is why you see the Patriot go crazy launching barrage mode.

If the Russians had a second wave 5 minutes later with same amount of missiles or a bit more, Patriot would have been gone. Look for the Russians to try again with more missiles or maybe this time with a second wave.
 

PopularScience

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Patriot doctrine is firing 2 missiles per target. Russia fired 9 Klibr's, 6 kinzhal and 3 Iskanders, so 18 + 12 + 6 equals um........ a lot. Russians launched all missiles to arrive simultaneously which is why you see the Patriot go crazy launching barrage mode.

If the Russians had a second wave 5 minutes later with same amount of missiles or a bit more, Patriot would have been gone. Look for the Russians to try again with more missiles or maybe this time with a second wave.
Patriot already gone. One fully damaged, one partial damaged and one survived located behind a building.

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drowingfish

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Patriot already gone. One fully damaged, one partial damaged and one survived located behind a building.
both taiwan and saudi arabia will have a really close look at how the patriot system performs in ukraine here. well i guess less so for saudi arabia since the threat of missiles from iran and yemen have been reduced.
 

SolarWarden

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Patriot already gone. One fully damaged, one partial damaged and one survived located behind a building.
Negative. Patriot still operational.

Ukraine Says It Shot Down Hypersonic Russian Missiles Over Kyiv​

A Russian barrage also damaged a U.S.-made Patriot air-defense system, but officials said it was still working.

Ukraine’s air defense shot down six of the most sophisticated conventional weapons in Russia’s arsenal,
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, according to Ukrainian and American officials, during a barrage of missiles and drones aimed at Kyiv, the capital, on Tuesday.

Russia’s Defense Ministry said at least one Kinzhal had hit an American-made Patriot system, the most advanced U.S. ground-based air-defense system, which Washington had delivered to Ukraine after its urgent requests to help defend against an onslaught of Russian missile and drone attacks.

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did not specify whether the Patriot system had, in fact, been involved in shooting down Russian missiles in one of the largest aerial assaults by Moscow since early March. But two U.S. officials confirmed that a Patriot had been damaged, not destroyed, in the attack overnight Tuesday, an assessment initially
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. And one of the Americans confirmed that Ukraine had downed six Kinzhal missiles.

After an evaluation of the damage to the Patriot to determine whether parts of the system needed to be replaced or could be repaired, the initial conclusion was that the system, which was stationed in an airfield, was still operational against all threats — including hypersonic missiles — the American officials said.
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Botnet

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I can't help but think that the Russian winter offensive was simply a waste. Untold numbers dead in Bakhmut, miniscule gains near Kreminna, and a whole Naval Brigade wiped out near Vuhledar, and not for the first time. I don't think the attritional fight is even really unfavorable for Kyiv. Bakhmut's still not encircled, and for the most part its manned by TDF with regular mechanized forces sprinkled in. I don't believe for a moment casualty ratios are anything but lopsided, and not in favor of the Russians. This raises the question: Why couldn't Russia have done what the Ukrainians did? There's no way Ukraine can man the whole front without resorting to using TDF. There were plenty of opportunities to exploit such weak spots and achieve localized gains, yet nothing of the sort ever happened. Instead we have Russia running headlong into attritional fights, wearing down their combat potential while Ukraine is building up a counteroffensive. And I feel like those 100+ vehicles lost near Vuhledar could've been pretty decisive in repelling Ukraine's future offensive.

I just don't feel like its sustainable for Ukraine to be able to rollback months of Russian gains in weeks, especially when such a bloody price has been paid.
 

PopularScience

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Proof of this? So please do not post things as facts when barely is anything known for sure … and the same is valid for claims, all incoming missiles where downed.
According to the analysis, the Patriot Missile Battalion of the Ukrainian Army did try to shoot down the "Dagger"; and the "Dagger" seemed to be heading for the Patriot. In the direction of the launch of the Patriot missile, the video released by CNN recorded two explosions on the ground. Rybar, a well-known Russian military blogger, said that there were three launchers in the hit area. One was destroyed, one was damaged, and the third was unharmed. The first two lined up side by side, and the dagger hit the middle of the two launchers near the first.

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Intrepid

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The launchers are quickly replaceable and can be placed far apart from each other (I read up to 10 km distance between launchers and command / radar is possible). Why are two launchers close together? That doesn't sound particularly credible.
 

Intrepid

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... and there should be plenty of space between the individual components. The components that are unique are the vital ones for the system. The launchers are replaceable.
 

Shadow_Whomel

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US officials believe the Russian military has been able to pick up on signals that are emitted from the Patriot, allowing them to target the system using the hypersonic missile, known as the Kinzhal or Killjoy.

Anti-radiation Kinzhal, WTF

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Rybar said they destroyed one system and damaged one, but I guess we wont have satellite photos to confirm the real damage this time

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