The War in the Ukraine

sheogorath

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That's actually pretty brilliant. Send a couple of regular cruise missiles at ordinary targets and have a couple of MiG-31s loitering within striking distance. Either the Ukrainians launch and expose their positions to quick Kinzhal counter, or do nothing, and lose whatever the cruise missiles are targeting.

Russians might just as well send MiG-31s into Ukrainian radar range any time anything gets launched, just to mess with their heads - "Will they? Won't they?"

This was brough up in this thread and in one of the many articles about why Ukraine needs to be given NATO Gundams to fight Russia. Limited resources and depletion of the soviet stockpiles forces Ukraine into a position of either hitting anything that enters at the expense of existing stocks or having to prioritize and trying to figure out what is a decoy and what isn't, with the corresponding risk of letting something real through.
 

tankphobia

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What was the cost to Russia for this attack? If indeed they did shoot 6 kinzhals and a bunch of cruise missiles/Gerans the pure economics may be pretty even.
 

Strangelove

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Russia claims that “Several Storm Shadow cruise missiles, which were recently supplied to Ukraine by Britain, have been shot down by Russian air defenses over the past 24 hours”

“‘Seven Storm Shadow long-range cruise missiles, three HARM anti-radar missiles and seven HIMARS multiple rocket launcher shells were intercepted,’ the ministry’s spokesman, Lieutenant General Igor Konashenkov, announced during a briefing on Tuesday. He didn’t say where the intercepts had taken place.

According to Konashenkov, 22 Ukrainian drones were also destroyed over Russia’s newly incorporated territories: the People’s Republics of Donetsk and Lugansk, and Zaporozhye and Kherson Regions.”
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Right_People

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Probably fake.
Although yesterday it was reported a Su-57 destroyed a Su-24 carrying Storm, so maybe there is a "few" but for sure not 7.
What was the cost to Russia for this attack? If indeed they did shoot 6 kinzhals and a bunch of cruise missiles/Gerans the pure economics may be pretty even.
I wont even mention the 6 Khinzal thing...
But a Geran cost like 20k euros, the motor is literally a motorbike motor.
I doubt making or just taking a Kh-22 out of storage for using a decoy cost much, they are CRAZY primitive things. And also we have confirmation of yesterdays attack involving a Kh-55 in decoy configuration mode since it had no warhead.
Stock of Kh-55s is probably in the thousands ...

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tankphobia

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I wont even mention the 6 Khinzal thing...
But a Geran cost like 20k euros, the motor is literally a motorbike motor.
I doubt making or just taking a Kh-22 out of storage for using a decoy cost much, they are CRAZY primitive things. And also we have confirmation of yesterdays attack involving a Kh-55 in decoy configuration mode since it had no warhead.
Stock of Kh-55s is probably in the thousands ...

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Surely if Russia has thousands of kh-22s they can just pull out of storage, many of the previous strikes would've been much larger in scale, around Jan/Feb when Ukraine was still quite cold and Western AA haven't fully arrived yet a mass missile strike could've crippled Ukrainian energy infrastructure beyond repair.
 

Tam

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A Tunguska took down a Ukrainian UAV.


A Lancet took down a Ukrainian MLRS which had a spectacular ammo cook off.


Lancet takes down a Ukrainian transporter. With all the nets I can't identify the true nature of the target.


Portable counter battery radar or is it a Starlink array? A drone assisted D30 howitzer sent a shell to the Ukrainian position. This in Donetsk courtesy of the Sparta Battalion.

 

bebops

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How are Khinzal different from DF17 or DF27? Is it more maneuverable?

If it can shoot down Khinzal, then it could shoot down Df17 too. I believed cheap low cost mass quantity is the only way to overwhelm everything U.S has.
 
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