plawolf
Lieutenant General
Sounds fishy. If the Russians went to the trouble of spamming the battery until it depleted its missile load, why waste a Kinzhal as the coup de grace? Just send a few more Shehad drones and save themselves a Kinzhal.
The War in the Ukraine
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Sounds fishy. If the Russians went to the trouble of spamming the battery until it depleted its missile load, why waste a Kinzhal as the coup de grace? Just send a few more Shehad drones and save themselves a Kinzhal.
Time sensitive target in case they managed to scoot in time?
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Some confirmation that Kiev's zoo might have actually been hit by Patriot missiles
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Some confirmation that Kiev's zoo might have actually been hit by Patriot missiles
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I suppose cause time are crucial before AD redeploy. Due to speed Kinzhal are able to hit target in several minutes. So you are able to provoke launches by something cheap(Iran drones cost almost nothing), pinpoint location and strike with Kinzhal before target redeploy.
If you look all footage of recent strikes, it does have at least 2-3 minutes time from Patriot launches to possible strike of launchers location(hard to say in night if they did hit or not, but explosion were in direction of launcher). Considering distance from border to Kiev it does look like possible.
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Don't know how many missiles they got but if they are emptying them at that rate, the stockpiles will vanish in thin air even if the launchers stay in one piece. Getting aircrafts down is way better than a couple of missiles and drones...
For Ukraine they are free. There is no reason to be conservative about usage. You can always get more from Germany or with Germany money. It is not like Germany have any other options now. Plus Kiev politicaly are such target that needed to be defended at any cost.
You know that industrial capacity to make them in numbers rapidly is non-existent. They use yearly production in one month at this rate. At double production rate it's about 500 per years. Maybe they can cut all other orders and replenish Ukraine missiles for a month if they sustain that rate of fire.
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Missiles for the Patriot are simply too expensive.
It is practically the reason why the Israelis developed the Iron Dome.
It is practically the reason why the Israelis developed the Iron Dome.
With high speed targets like Kinzal, Iskander or kh-22 you need a bulleyes hit to detonate the warhead in flight to deny touchdown. Even scud in IRAK where continuing their courses after desintegration to explode on the ground. Imagine a mach3+ missile coming down...
I would say that Iron dome could be interesting against GERAN but a bunch of CIWS on buildings would be probably even better.
That's actually pretty brilliant. Send a couple of regular cruise missiles at ordinary targets and have a couple of MiG-31s loitering within striking distance. Either the Ukrainians launch and expose their positions to quick Kinzhal counter, or do nothing, and lose whatever the cruise missiles are targeting.
Russians might just as well send MiG-31s into Ukrainian radar range any time anything gets launched, just to mess with their heads - "Will they? Won't they?"