The War in the Ukraine

plawolf said:

To get 30 launches from such a tight frame would mean Ukraine needed to have clustered at least 8 launchers close together and that’s just too stupid to take seriously.

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There are significant limitations where one can place AD systems within a city - launchers need to be as close to the city center as possible, communicate, and be protected from sabotage/espionage. At the same time, they have to have clear arcs of fire.

SolarWarden said:

What you believe is irrelevant because the Russians believe the opposite. If Russia really used 3 Kinzhals and cruise missiles just to take out the Patriot and we find out the next morning it wasn't taken out thn the Patriot did its job, eh?

Btw this is exactly what I was expecting the first time Russia attacked the Patriot battery but I guess their first attack was a probing attack to see exactly what it would do against just one kinzhal. Russia is probably going to continue mass attack on Patriot battery and even if Russia launches 30 missiles of a mix of kinzhal and cruise missiles on its next attack and 29 get intercepted then it's a win for Russia if one takes it out. It will make world headlines that Russia took out a Patriot battery.

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The Patriot battery was not the only thing attacked/destroyed yesterday in Kiev, so the supposedly successful Ukrainian interceptions would include the rest of the targets as well.
There were significant fires in other areas of Kiev due to the hits.




What is a "SuperCum"? XD

Which also brings us to the next dilemma.
Russian industry is destroyed without Western cooperation, but according to Ukraine they just used 6+ Kinzhal missiles?

What is the logic in all this?

Right_People said:

What is the logic in all this?

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...supercum*

*official zsu term, of course.

Anyone geolocating the position of that battery yet ?

Right_People said:

The Patriot battery was not the only thing attacked/destroyed yesterday in Kiev, so the supposedly successful Ukrainian interceptions would include the rest of the targets as well.
There were significant fires in other areas of Kiev due to the hits.
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What is a "SuperCum"? XD

Which also brings us to the next dilemma.
Russian industry is destroyed without Western cooperation, but according to Ukraine they just used 6+ Kinzhal missiles?

What is the logic in all this?

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Lol. Patriot was not destroyed.


Since US sees all missiles launched at Ukraine and the type they will likely confirm soon just like the first kinzhal that was fired at patriot battery.

There was a lot of falling debris

SolarWarden said:

Lol. Patriot was not destroyed.

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We don't know. And, unless there will be footage of it, won't know.
We don't really know neither the scale of the attack (only the scale of the defense firing from a particular battery and the fact that there were kinzhals in the air this time - full Ukraine air raid warning is a reliable sign), success rate, nothing.
Big ABM engagement happened(32 launches - literally a full battery worth of missiles), and something exploded/was hit around the launcher position afterward. That's it.

Sources with reliable access to information don't speak, sources that speak are strongly biased, and speak the truth only when they know that they can be pushed against their lies (and even then tend to lie first).

Photo/video takers get taken down to deny easy propaganda wins and quality damage assessment.

SolarWarden said:

Lol. Patriot was not destroyed.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1658357616433672193

Since US sees all missiles launched at Ukraine and the type they will likely confirm soon just like the first kinzhal that was fired at patriot battery.

There was a lot of falling debris

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1658353453297442816

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If we believe Reznikov magic numbers we should believe also the magic numbers Russia MoD makes ...

Right_People said:

What is the logic in all this?

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I do find it amusing that after whinning for months about them and Izkanders, now they are perfectly capable of intercepting every Kinzhal fired at them and every other missile out there with a pair of Patriot systems, lol.

Stealthflanker said:

Anyone geolocating the position of that battery yet ?

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One of the telegram accounts located it as Svyatoshinsky district of Kiev

There is a new video of the incident

sheogorath said:

One of the telegram accounts located it as Svyatoshinsky district of Kiev

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Thank you.

The coverage of the site is kind of like this. Based on the location.



It's basically can cover half of Kiev against low fliers, while entire city is protected from things flying at 500 m. High altitude target coverage looks good and can reach Belarus territory e.g Mazar and Gomel. However PAC-3 have range of only about 200-220 Km, with MSE only reach 100 and PAC-2 about 150-160 km. Russian aircrafts can therefore still use Belarus airspace.