The War in the Ukraine

Abominable

Major
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It's the exact opposite. Javelins are very easy to disrupt in technical terms. "Cope cages" are the sign of desperation of the crews which can only do so much in field conditions to improve their defenses.

Proper counter-measures would require passive optical/IR sensors to detect approaching missiles and trigger multispectral smokescreens as well as multispectral camouflage to reduce IR signature. Russia couldn't do even before the war as part of their modernization program which limited the scope of modernization of tanks in favour of quantity of modernized vehicles. Now it's completely out of reach, both in material and technological terms.
Do you know how a Javelin works? Can you name a single platform in deployment anywhere that does what you say?

Smoke or a thermal blanket could conceivably trick the bolometer but if a passively guided supersonic missile is launched a few hundred metres away from you there's not much time for smoke grenades or to cover the tank with a blanket.
 

HighGround

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If so, I can't judge since I have no clue about the amount of C4 equipment Ukraine has. Markoz was explaining that movement and tempo is the best counter to the drones, but you counter that Ukraine can't do that due to the static nature of the conflict. Obviously, he would say that Ukraine lacks the C4 equipment to move, but you just said that they do via your friends in the AFU and the Kharkiv offensive. That does sound like a fair point unless verified stats are brought up from him.

Why? I don't understand why people keep treating anecdote, rumors, and "confirmations" from biased parties as credible inputs.

All of these are speculations or loose inferences at best. It's like the whole "casualties" and "attrition ratios" discussion. We cannot put any degree of confidence on such numbers or "trends".
 

Tam

Brigadier
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Forgot to mention that the previously shown counter battery strike on the Ukrainian SPG was a Krasnopol strike.

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This bridge helps move Ukrainian DRGs to the Russian border was hit with a Krasnopol strike.

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This drone was lasing a Ukrainian hideout but the video was cut before any explosion, which might suggest there might have been unsettling images of remains from the edited portion. This too might have been a Krasnopol strike.

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gelgoog

Lieutenant General
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I see by far still not the best from NATO … no fighters, no longe range missiles (except the Storm Shadow) … not yet any modern tanks in great numbers …
And where would these modern tanks in great numbers be coming from exactly? How many operational Leopard 2A6s do you think are in Europe right now for example? Surely the US could be providing them with huge numbers of M1s from stocks, but then again if that is the case why can't the US supply M1s to Taiwan when they paid for them? Or Poland for that matter. Instead they rotate M1s to show the flag around NATO still painted in desert colors.

The main reason for supplying the Storm Shadow, not the ATACMS or something else, is because it is still in production. Unlike the ATACMS. Its main issue is the lack of air delivery platforms for it.
 

Atomicfrog

Major
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Really? I see by far still not the best from NATO … no fighters, no longe range missiles (except the Storm Shadow) … not yet any modern tanks in great numbers …

by the way, the latest "Wagner map"

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We could say that the fields have dried up. Seen footage of truck in fields going without problems. Things will start to move on the front on open field between row of trees like these incursions. Clearly not decisive but defense in open fields even with trenches are clearly not easy to keep, one side or the other if combined warfare can be used.
 

Stealthflanker

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Anyone know if the storm shadow cruise missiles being sent to the Ukraine will be MTCR compliant?

Legally tho Since Ukraine is signatory of MTCR.. they can get the long range version, provided that they"comply" not to transfer any technology they learned from the missile to external party.

If they get refurbished shorter range missile or "MTCR Compliant" That would be over political consideration.

Also i would expect NATO or Western nation will play a blind eye on agreement or treaty in this respect.
 
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