Good stuff, we will see who is right in a few months i guess.
The War in the Ukraine
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Russia doesn't have brigade with that nomenclature! Soviet Union had during WWII, but not Russia!
There is Ukrainian brigade with that name. Why are you trolling?Or maybe Prigozhin trolled you all. He's known for trolling.
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The Soviet Union had the 72nd Guards Rifle Brigade. But this is now the 72nd Mechanized Brigade of Ukraine which distinguished itself in Ugledar.
We do this because we like to have accurate information. Simple as that. In addition, while I do appreciate your answer, I advise you to cool down your inflammatory tone and act maturely. Another user responded to this discussion with the same response about Prigozhin but in a much more polite manner. You should take heed of them. Otherwise an official warning will be issued and then a ban if you still do not adjust. This isn’t 4Chan.
He doesn't say Russian 72nd brigade. He just says that 72nd bride fled. Ukrainian one?! There is no other one. So, Ukrainians are getting decimated and are fleeing Bakhmut. We know that.
I was very polite. This isn't 4chan, but it isn't The Drive either. Or is it? That means that ridiculous claims about "Russian" 72nd brigade fleeing Bakhmut, taken out of 30 second video and taken out of context by some Ukrainian official, should not get unnoticed.
Same thing goes with the unfounded claims about Kinzhal missile interception.
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I don't think the lack of ammunition in Bakhmut is the problem. I think it is the lack of belief in victory or the conviction that the positions must be abandoned. It is the lack of fighting morale on the Russian side.
The lack of ammunition is a pretext to explain the defeat.
The lack of ammunition is a pretext to explain the defeat.
I wouldn't be so sure. Russia does have a history of generals sabotaging other generals' operations for political reasons. Shoigu or Geresimov might have ordered the army to not supply ammo to Wagner.
So I've looked around for a second, the only place I've seen a mention of a "72nd brigade" fighting on the Russian side is , with relation to the battle of Vugledar as part of the 3rd AC. The page has only one mention of the brigade, and three points of reference. One links to a Forbes article (twice to the same article), the other proves to be a bust, since it leads to an ISW update page from March last year which doesn't mention anything about the unit.
gives one paragraph to the 72nd brigade and provides two sources of its own - one is some t claiming (origin unkown). The other is more interesting. It's from ISW from August last year, which claims the creation of a 72 independent motorized inf. brigade in Penza, supporting itself with local news article.
I find this... Weird. Why an inexperienced unit, which (according to the Forbes article) was used to plug the hole left by the battered Russian Marines 3 months ago near Vugledar, would now be collapsing and running away near Bakhmut, 150 kms north?
Every reference to the 72nd brigade hinges on one mention from a local Russian news site. After this, the unit, despite supposedly being green and inexperienced, was put in pivotal roles at two out of three hottest spots on the frontline in the last 3 months? Something here doesn't add up.
gives one paragraph to the 72nd brigade and provides two sources of its own - one is some t claiming (origin unkown). The other is more interesting. It's from ISW from August last year, which claims the creation of a 72 independent motorized inf. brigade in Penza, supporting itself with local news article.
I find this... Weird. Why an inexperienced unit, which (according to the Forbes article) was used to plug the hole left by the battered Russian Marines 3 months ago near Vugledar, would now be collapsing and running away near Bakhmut, 150 kms north?
Every reference to the 72nd brigade hinges on one mention from a local Russian news site. After this, the unit, despite supposedly being green and inexperienced, was put in pivotal roles at two out of three hottest spots on the frontline in the last 3 months? Something here doesn't add up.
Because before the war it was not in the sequence of the Russian army, it was a unit made up of volunteers.Russia doesn't have brigade with that nomenclature! Soviet Union had during WWII, but not Russia!
There is Ukrainian brigade with that name. Why are you trolling?
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Please, provide a source PRIOR to Prigozhin statement about the mere existence of the Russian Federation 72nd brigade.