The War in the Ukraine

LawLeadsToPeace

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I was very polite. This isn't 4chan, but it isn't The Drive either. Or is it? That means that ridiculous claims about "Russian" 72nd brigade fleeing Bakhmut, taken out of 30 second video and taken out of context by some Ukrainian official, should not get unnoticed.
Same thing goes with the unfounded claims about Kinzhal missile interception.


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When you tell someone to get over it, that is directly being aggressive. That is how it is interpreted in the English-speaking world. Since you said you are a Serb, I'll just chalk it up to a cultural and language misunderstanding. However, the advice still stands. Please be careful on how you communicate with other people with various cultural backgrounds. It is ok for you to fully disprove a statement or claim, but do so in a neutral manner.
 

Tam

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So I've looked around for a second, the only place I've seen a mention of a "72nd brigade" fighting on the Russian side is
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, with relation to the battle of Vugledar as part of the 3rd AC. The page has only one mention of the brigade, and three points of reference. One links to a Forbes article (twice to the same article), the other proves to be a bust, since it leads to an ISW update page from March last year which doesn't mention anything about the unit.

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gives one paragraph to the 72nd brigade and provides two sources of its own - one is some
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t claiming
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(origin unkown). The other is more interesting. It's
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from ISW from August last year, which claims the creation of a 72 independent motorized inf. brigade in Penza, supporting itself with
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local news article.

I find this... Weird. Why an inexperienced unit, which (according to the Forbes article) was used to plug the hole left by the battered Russian Marines 3 months ago near Vugledar, would now be collapsing and running away near Bakhmut, 150 kms north?

Every reference to the 72nd brigade hinges on one mention from a local Russian news site. After this, the unit, despite supposedly being green and inexperienced, was put in pivotal roles at two out of three hottest spots on the frontline in the last 3 months? Something here doesn't add up.

The 72nd Mechanized Brigade in Ugledar is Ukrainian. It's not there to fight with the Russians but against the Russians. It recently has moved to Avdiivka to reinforce units there.
 

plawolf

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I don't think the lack of ammunition in Bakhmut is the problem. I think it is the lack of belief in victory or the conviction that the positions must be abandoned. It is the lack of fighting morale on the Russian side.

The lack of ammunition is a pretext to explain the defeat.

If you honestly think the Ukrainians are winning in Bakhmut, pray tell what loosing looks like?
 

Tootensky

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The 72nd Mechanized Brigade in Ugledar is Ukrainian. It's not there to fight with the Russians but against the Russians. It recently has moved to Avdiivka to reinforce units there.
Please, look at what I've written. According to that Forbes article, at Ugledar a 72nd Mechanized from Ukraine was facing 72nd Motorized from Russia.
 

Tam

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Please, look at what I've written. According to that Forbes article, at Ugledar a 72nd Mechanized from Ukraine was facing 72nd Motorized from Russia.

Once again, I never heard nor I cannot find any other confirmed reference of a Russian 72nd Motorized Rifle Brigade. The 155th Naval Infantry Brigade in Ugledar is supported by the 40th Naval Infantry Brigade. The only other external force in Ugledar are units of the DPR's obtf Kaskad battalion which is primarily an artillery force.
 
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Right_People

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I don't think the lack of ammunition in Bakhmut is the problem. I think it is the lack of belief in victory or the conviction that the positions must be abandoned. It is the lack of fighting morale on the Russian side.

The lack of ammunition is a pretext to explain the defeat.
But then why do they control 95% of the city?
In fact it cannot be said that there is no opposition, since April the names of 60 members of the Ukrainian special forces have been publicly known to have died in this city.
Officially the Ukrainian SSO had 2000 troops, this probably does not count some other units with SSO detachments but the evidence shows that Ukraine is wasting a significant amount of resources in the city, not only that, they are losing the battle by every metric,
 

Tootensky

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Once again, I never heard nor I cannot find any other confirmed reference of a Russian 72nd. Let's make it clear once again, the 155th Naval Infantry Brigade in Ugledar is supported by the 40th Naval Infantry Brigade. The only other external force is units of the DPR's obtf Kaskad which is primarily an artillery force.
You're just yanking my chain, right? My entire post is about how the only mention of a Russian 72nd claims their presence around Vugledar, but is based on shoddy evidence. Why are you arguing with me here?
 

baykalov

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Here is some information about the 72nd Brigade and the situation Prigozhin was talking about from Russian channels on Twitter and Telegram.

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Video confirmed, maps not updated yet but Biletsky (commander of the Azov Battalion) mentions North West and video was mostly fields. Both sides mention 72 motorized rifle brigade, they are part of 3rd army corpse. 3rd army corpse has had a disastrous track record, not sure why you would put them on such important positions against UA's most battle hardened units from 3rd Azov and sso.





This is from the popular Russian Telegram channel "Операция Z: Военкоры Русской Весны", automatic translation:

AFU counterattack on the flank of Bakhmut and a breach of our defense - details
- As reported, on the flank near Bakhmut the AFU attacked and cut into our defense.
- Under the onslaught of armored groups one of the companies left its positions, "leaving a front nearly 2 km wide and 500 meters deep. We blocked it somehow," Prigozhin said yesterday. Journalist A. Kashevarova revealed some details of the battle.
- "There is a war of one trench," one of the commanders of the Wagner PMC told her. "Everyone sees only what is around him and draws conclusions about the whole situation on the front. And in this case, everyone thinks that only he fights and he is the only hero, while everyone else is guarding the corn.
- For two days the journalist analyzed the situation where the PMC and the 72nd Brigade fighters were standing: "I know that both fighters will fight to the death, but what happened? After all, I know the history, where they helped each other.
- According to her, the reason was a lack of coordination. The Wagners had a breakthrough in a different place and withdrew, and the 72nd Brigade did not know about it. As a result, the AFU struck where the artillery of the 72nd Brigade was standing without proper cover for the attackers.
- The commander of the 72nd Brigade, call sign "Sever", a great guy, got on an APC himself that night and rushed to the place of the breakthrough, writes Anastasiya.
- "It was hot. Losses were sustained by both the Wagner and the 72nd. The result was that the AFU advanced by three kilometers," adds the journalist.
- She stressed that while she was figuring things out, she unraveled a whole tangle of squabbles and squabbles. "And everyone is resentful of each other. Wagner, they say, tried to contact 72nd, but they didn't want to interact. 72nd says no one came out to them. The 72nd has a ban on working with a "bandwagon" from the MoD, and the Wagner are too proud."
- Often brigades don't even know who's on their left and who's on their right, and whether the rear is covered.
- Some say, "Oh, we haven't seen LNR and DNR battalions in a long time - are they even fighting? Ha-ha." LNR and DNR battalions: "And where are all your RF Armed Forces? One brigade: "Wagner's tank was stolen from us. Wagner's: "They crushed our loaf." Russian Army: "Akhmat wasn't there at all, just us," Kashevarova stresses.
- This disunity of the front is actively used by the enemy, our fighters suffer: "they are all ours, whether they are DNR or LNR, whether they are mobilized, whether they are volunteers, whether they are Vvshniks, whether they are Special Forces, Akhmatovs or 'musicians,'" she sums up.

Source, this post is from yesterday 18:14 PM:
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Deino

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Lol, there are multiple documented instances of Ukranians executing Russian POWs in gruesome ways and here you are trying to spin it as a medevac issue while also posting a video that adds little value to the discussion.


And the same is valid for Russian forces - especially from Wagner - killing Ukrainian POWs … as such both ides takle the as a warning to spin some stupid stories of heroism or cruelty on the other side!

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