The War in the Ukraine

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supersnoop

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Right_People said:
The destruction of a 155mm M777 howitzer by a Lancet drone in the Kherson direction. Remarkably, the video shows the Ukrainian military sheltering the installation with a camouflage net and an anti-lancet tent, but it did not save it.

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What is the latest information about the production cost of an M777 or other NATO counterparts, as well as the production in total numbers?

From the United States alone they received more than 120 M777 towed artillery systems, put in context, a large country like Spain has less than 90 of the domestic counterpart system, Italy uses 90 HF-70 ( Italian counterpart).
In other words, a very large number of these systems have been delivered to Ukraine and they seem to be almost losing one a day to the Lancets. If this trend continues, Ukraine may not only have problems with 155mm ammunition but also with the barrels.
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According to a local news outlet in Canada, the M777 production has ceased.
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Total production is ~1500 according to wiki.

I had previously mentioned that half or more of the M777 have been destroyed.

Supposedly India is working on local production of the M777, but don't think that is a reality yet. One M777 in India exploded from locally produced faulty ammo.

Towed 155mm pieces are less popular now (probably due to crew needs, everything is moving towards automation), Norinco sold AH4 to UAE which fills the same role (lightweight, transportable by Chinook sling) which beat out the M777
 
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Atomicfrog

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Other Ukranian sources have indicated that this was HIMARS + Artillery strike, not JDAMS.
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It's the building in front of the School of I-III degrees No. 24, on corner of Vynochradna et Oborony street, North part of Bakhmut. It's a part that have been taken not that long ago. Probably blowing of buildings to slow advance of Russian troops and trapping them in.
 
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Looks a little too small to be a 500lb explosion tbh. But it is in a middle of a city with lots of concrete and rubble to make the explosion look smaller.
 
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HighGround

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sheogorath said:
According to this claim, Ukraine is using Territorial Defense units as bait. They will man trenches which will be overrun by Russian units and then Ukranian artillery will open fire on these trenches after they have been taken over
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Or the TD called it in on themselves. Danger Close.

People shouldn't jump to conclusions, explore all explanations.
 
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Anlsvrthng

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supersnoop said:
According to a local news outlet in Canada, the M777 production has ceased.
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Total production is ~1500 according to wiki.

I had previously mentioned that half or more of the M777 have been destroyed.

Supposedly India is working on local production of the M777, but don't think that is a reality yet. One M777 in India exploded from locally produced faulty ammo.

Towed 155mm pieces are less popular now (probably due to crew needs, everything is moving towards automation), Norinco sold AH4 to UAE which fills the same role (lightweight, transportable by Chinook sling) which beat out the M777
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Most likelly the bottleneck is the spare barrel stock.

Mentioned earlier the M777 become loose after 1500 shot , and they received 1 -1.5 million 152 mm shell.


Means the eat throught 1000 barrel, or if they accepted the huge spread then 600.

So ,most likelly lot of the USA army M777 striped off ,and stored without barrel.


So , loss of the M777 is not really an issue, loss of ammunition and barrel should be an issue.

The USA used to make 3000 ish 155 mm/month, most likelly for training, means the expected barrel production was no more than 15-24 155 mm barrel /year.
 
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Tam

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Not yet in a war but this Maxxpro and M-SHORAD totalled themselves in an accident in Germany that left 7 soldiers injured. If this is caused by Ukrainian soldiers, not a heaping endorsement of their training. However this could be just another military accident unrelated to the war.


Lancet takes out a BM-21 Grad. This is the shorter wingspan version.


Zelensky posts video of civilian infrastructure hit by missiles. If you use civilian infrastructure to hide ammo depots, use them as command headquarters and barracks, the Russians will find and destroy them as expected. Also telling about the state of Ukrainian air defenses that these missiles get through and a telling statement that the Russians have yet to run out of missiles.

 
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drowingfish

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Data add up, ealier was a mention about ten aircraft per day dedicated for glide bombs, one sortie / day with two bombs will result in 20 strikes.


Most likelly the bottleneck is the available bombs.

One of those bombs has 350 kg explosive load, normal piece of artirelly has 7 kg, means each of them worth 50 pcs of 152 mm ammunition.

Now, considering the higher recision over longer distance these strikes most likelly worht the equivalent of say 5000 pcs of 152 mm shell.

Estimate of Russian 152 mm shell usage is in the range of 5000-20 000 shell /day, means this power increase dramatically the firepower.


IF they can increase the production rate fourfould then that would be devastating for the ukrainan military.
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russia should be able to outsource some of its munition production to iran, north korea and even belarus. each of these should have no problem rivaling a european country in terms of capacity. i also doubt that any of the western powers would want to ramp out their capacity, just not worth it unless they know for sure the war will continue for another two years.

the most likely solution for this on the Ukraine/NATO side is the greenlight to hit russian airfields. Ukrainian air defense is clearly too attrited at this point to deal with Russian air, and integrating NATO systems take time, with its effectiveness unknown. transfer of western air asset will also take time. so the only quick impact solution is supply of long range munition to hit russian airfields.
 
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