The War in the Ukraine

sheogorath

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APFSDS fired from rifled guns has worse performance than similar rounds from smoothbore guns and as it stands, the base T-72B3 Obr 1989 with K5 could already hold its own against the M829A1 DU rounds from the Abrams from the front, I imagine DU APFSDS rounds from the Challenger 2 won't fare any better.
 

Atomicfrog

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APFSDS fired from rifled guns has worse performance than similar rounds from smoothbore guns and as it stands, the base T-72B3 Obr 1989 with K5 could already hold its own against the M829A1 DU rounds from the Abrams from the front, I imagine DU APFSDS rounds from the Challenger 2 won't fare any better.
Anyway, not that many MBT vs MBT in Ukraine... Heat rounds are way better against troops, IFV, technical, fortification, buildings, etc.

MBT are getting wrecked from mine, artillery, atgm and grenades in hatch from drones... I don't see the purpose of DU APFSDS for Challenger tanks beside the lack of other ammunitions to give.
 

phrozenflame

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The Ukrainians so far has not invaded Russia proper. There are a lot of ladders of escalation that the Russians can still do. Bombing the remainder of Ukrainian infrastructure; bombing Kiev; targeting higher up military leadership; targeting Zelensky and other Ukrainian political leadership. Hitting Russian airfields risk climbing such escalation ladder. The number of airfields are vast and repairs would not take too long. How much long range munition can Ukraine muster to fire at Russia?
Sorry what?

1. Russia couldn't even keep the lights out after trying that for a few months. It seems they don't enough munitions for sustained attacks.
2. Bombing Kiev militarily achieves absolutely nothing, on top of lack of spare munitions.
3. Putin will never target higher leadership, as it exposes him personally too and so it does for tons of oligrarchs and their families in Russia and outside.
4. Other political leadership is really replaceable.

Ukraine would have much higher priority targets than Russian airfields in Russia-proper.
 

drowingfish

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The battle of Bakhmut is very grinding and slowly coming to a close.

any ukrainian elements left in bakhmut is definitey not getting out by road now. it is raining all week this week, and half of next week. i imagine proper replenishment is no longer possible for bakhmut, may by another week or two then some ukrianians in the city will make a run for it or surrender.
 

Soldier30

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Anti-aircraft missile system "Osa" of the Ukrainian army came under attack from the Russian kamikaze drone "Lancet". At the time of the drone strike, the air defense system was inactive, but the crew was in it, judging by the end of the video. The fire that started destroyed the Osa anti-aircraft missile system.

 

APT96

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How is Ukraine managing to coordinate their forces? In Gulf War the first thing we did was take out all the command and control centres to prevent Hussein and military leadership communicating with troops in the field.
 
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