The War in the Ukraine

reservior dogs

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so the only quick impact solution is supply of long range munition to hit russian airfields.
The Ukrainians so far has not invaded Russia proper. There are a lot of ladders of escalation that the Russians can still do. Bombing the remainder of Ukrainian infrastructure; bombing Kiev; targeting higher up military leadership; targeting Zelensky and other Ukrainian political leadership. Hitting Russian airfields risk climbing such escalation ladder. The number of airfields are vast and repairs would not take too long. How much long range munition can Ukraine muster to fire at Russia?
 

Nightsky

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With progress like this Russia could take most of Donestk by end of year. Then they need to ask themselves what is next? Ukraine will not give up. Should they call it a day or keep going for Dniprotrovsk or Kherson? What if they still dont negotiate? They should have a end game ready.

I still wonder why people think it's an elaborate Russian plan to save civilians or a "slow grind", which I have heard reiterated here countless times.

Be it Charkov region or Cherson, all the talk about "luring Ukrainians in in order to X" has amounted to Ukraine reconquering land, full stop. No Russian luring, no counter offensive, nothing.
In Adiivka, Bakhmut, Russia just does not seem able to take even small towns anymore, their offensive potential totally exhausted. I would not be surprised if Ukraine reconquered basically all territory by the end of the year, since I can imagine Russian positions falterin as soon as a breakthrough has been achieved somewhere.
Morale doesn't exactly seem high amongst Russian troops and the military balance is shifting more and more towards Ukrain with each jet, each tank delivered.

Russia simply has no good options left. The nuclear card is off the table, since Russia knows well that this would end Russia as we currently know it. With conventional weapons, no way Russia can keep up with the stuff half the western world is pampering Ukraine with.

I think a sober, realistic view would suit us all well. Russia does not need to think about "what next after Donezk oblast. Russia simply is not able to occupy Donezk oblast.
 

Corona

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Depleted uranium shells for Challenger 2 tanks have reached Ukraine, But precious Ukrainians will still not receive the much needed love the Afghans, Chechens or Syrians got:
Britain has sent thousands of shells to Kiev for Challenger 2 tanks, including those with depleted uranium, but does not track their use, the kingdom's deputy defense minister said. Britain will not be responsible for the use of depleted uranium tank shells delivered to Ukraine, will not monitor their use and is not going to be responsible for the consequences. This is the official position of the British Ministry of Defense.


 

Right_People

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russia should be able to outsource some of its munition production to iran, north korea and even belarus. each of these should have no problem rivaling a european country in terms of capacity. i also doubt that any of the western powers would want to ramp out their capacity, just not worth it unless they know for sure the war will continue for another two years.

the most likely solution for this on the Ukraine/NATO side is the greenlight to hit russian airfields. Ukrainian air defense is clearly too attrited at this point to deal with Russian air, and integrating NATO systems take time, with its effectiveness unknown. transfer of western air asset will also take time. so the only quick impact solution is supply of long range munition to hit russian airfields.
Belarus will start producing the Su-25, this is something to keep in mind, and Belarus can be a good intermediary to upgrade the aircraft with more modern Chinese electronics and sensors while Russia focuses on other aircraft.

In other news, another M777 destroyed by a Krasnopol:
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Lancet destroys a 1L220UK Zoo-3 counter-artillery radar:
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Tam

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Another M777 bites the dust thanks to Lancet.


And still yet another one.


Kornet ATGM fired at Ukrainian positions in Marinka.


Ukrainian base in Krements explodes under attack by Russian rockets. Ammo depot perhaps?

 

Tam

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Death by drone does not stop. Lancets working overtime as their production has scaled up as of late.

Despite heavily covered, this Ukrainian SPG still gets hit by a Lancet.


You can see people trying to cover this M777 as observed by Russian drone. Despite their best efforts, the Lancet flies smack it.

 

baykalov

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Ukrainians are ready to seize small Russian towns to use them as leverage to return Russian-controlled territories. Reports the Washington Post, the representative of the Azov nationalist battalion, Bogdan Krotevych.

Asked about the coming offensive, Krotevych cited the First Russian-Chechen War, when Chechen forces adopted a strategy of capturing small Russian towns to use as leverage to recover Russian-held areas. He suggested Ukraine may do the same.

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drowingfish

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The Ukrainians so far has not invaded Russia proper. There are a lot of ladders of escalation that the Russians can still do. Bombing the remainder of Ukrainian infrastructure; bombing Kiev; targeting higher up military leadership; targeting Zelensky and other Ukrainian political leadership. Hitting Russian airfields risk climbing such escalation ladder. The number of airfields are vast and repairs would not take too long. How much long range munition can Ukraine muster to fire at Russia?
Well i never expected it to work well i just expected that to be Ukraine's action. but who knows? maybe they get lucky and manage to hit an ammo depot with a bunch of FABs.
 

Atomicfrog

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russia should be able to outsource some of its munition production to iran, north korea and even belarus. each of these should have no problem rivaling a european country in terms of capacity. i also doubt that any of the western powers would want to ramp out their capacity, just not worth it unless they know for sure the war will continue for another two years.

the most likely solution for this on the Ukraine/NATO side is the greenlight to hit russian airfields. Ukrainian air defense is clearly too attrited at this point to deal with Russian air, and integrating NATO systems take time, with its effectiveness unknown. transfer of western air asset will also take time. so the only quick impact solution is supply of long range munition to hit russian airfields.
Russian will put their fighter a bit farther.... a pain but if it come to that they have way enough places to field them.
Depleted uranium shells for Challenger 2 tanks have reached Ukraine, But precious Ukrainians will still not receive the much needed love the Afghans, Chechens or Syrians got:
Britain has sent thousands of shells to Kiev for Challenger 2 tanks, including those with depleted uranium, but does not track their use, the kingdom's deputy defense minister said. Britain will not be responsible for the use of depleted uranium tank shells delivered to Ukraine, will not monitor their use and is not going to be responsible for the consequences. This is the official position of the British Ministry of Defense.


Having 5 APFSDS would be well enough per load of ammo for MBT. HEAT or HESH rounds are way more importants in that conflict.

It's more the use of depleted uranium (DU) penetrator rounds in IFV and jet ammo that's is more troublesome because you are spraying them all over the place. You have one of these on 5 rounds or so if you don't have double feed system.
 
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