The War in the Ukraine

sheogorath

Major
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Honestly, the F-16 thing is a stupid distraction. These spokespeople need to shut up about it.

There have been a few posters here clamouring for them to be sent over, and I said it was so stupid.

6 months will make them able to fly at a basic level, they won't be able to exploit the plane to the full performance envelope due to inexperience.

NATO is supposed to get 15 flight hours per month on a yearly basis, now you want to compress the number of training hours into 6 months? This is not including classroom and other instruction. It is not a matter of will, but absolute physical and biological constraints.

The time, money, and possibly lives spent on such a project would be a total waste. Far more sensible to continue to concentrate on strengthening their ground forces.

It serves a morale and propaganda purpose as well, to sell the idea that the Ukranian military are these super capable and super motivated people who can achieve the miracle, they just need the support. It also skirts around the idea of "supermen" which we know where it leads to.
 

Tam

Brigadier
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MRAP destroyed by ATGM.


Russian troops using thermals to find targets. Russian ATGMs strike at Ukrainian vehicles. This at Zaporozhye.


L-119 howitzer struck by Lancet.


This Ukrainian BMP-2 didn't go down without a fight. It was firing and even appeared to might have launched a missile but the DPR, using thermals to spot the BMP in the forest line, struck it with an ATGM.

 

Tam

Brigadier
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The entire Central District of Bakhmut (Artemovsk) should be a grey zone by now. Surovikin moving the combined chess pieces of Airborne -Wagner - LPR on this front.



Ukrainian Armed Forces could be withdrawing towards the rail line dividing the city.
 

Tam

Brigadier
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The UR-77 Meteorit mine clearer in action at Bakhmut. It throws a 90 meter cable into the air tied with explosives, then explodes the cable where it falls, clearing a path. However its also been used directly against fortified positions and advancing columns.



The VDV received the Sunshine thermobaric system for the first time. Likely to believed that they would be using it as per the next video.



Not only have the entire Wagner now concentrated into Bakhmut, but they are now joined by the VDV, Spetznaz and Marines.

 

Temstar

Brigadier
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Something a bit curious is going on:

Rumor floating around on weibo is that Pakistani 122mm rounds are built to Chinese 122mm howitzer spec, and that Chinese and Russian 122mm howitzers have drifted apart long enough that although their rounds size are still the same the specs are different enough that the ammo is not interchangeable.

Not really familiar with Pakistan artillery, anyone familiar with the matter can speak to if this could be the cause?
 

sheogorath

Major
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Could be the case, seeing that Pakistan doesn't operate Russian artillery systems except a Grad derivative and everything else is the Chinese variant of Soviet systems.

If they have different specs coupled with worn down guns without proper maintenance, it might be causing issues.
 

Hitomi

Junior Member
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Something a bit curious is going on:

Rumor floating around on weibo is that Pakistani 122mm rounds are built to Chinese 122mm howitzer spec, and that Chinese and Russian 122mm howitzers have drifted apart long enough that although their rounds size are still the same the specs are different enough that the ammo is not interchangeable.

Not really familiar with Pakistan artillery, anyone familiar with the matter can speak to if this could be the cause?
They are currently using the PL-96 which by most accounts available online is an upgrade of the licensed produced D-30.

What was upgraded is really vague beyond increased range and guided rounds capability (lighter construction material?) but they did mention the gun was backwards compatible with Russian 122mm ammunition but whether the rounds specifically developed to be used with the PL-96 is backwards compatible would need more information.

If the above mentioned information is true, the Chinese must have increased the power of the charges to increase the range. The increased chamber pressure must have tore the older Soviet made guns which have been rated for a lower pressure especially considering the number of rounds they have to fire a day.
 

Stealthflanker

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Seems the Russians will put the Arena into service for the new T-90M and T-80BVM being built

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What take them so long hahahaha. Good development tho.

It could handle older ATGM's like Stugna or Milan but Javelin might require something else or somehow the Arena should also be provided with obscurants and maybe longer ranging radar to detect inbound top attacks. The other concern is false alarms as the system have to be really capable on identifying at least the class of the threat (ATGM, flying rounds etc)
 

Atomicfrog

Major
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What take them so long hahahaha. Good development tho.

It could handle older ATGM's like Stugna or Milan but Javelin might require something else or somehow the Arena should also be provided with obscurants and maybe longer ranging radar to detect inbound top attacks. The other concern is false alarms as the system have to be really capable on identifying at least the class of the threat (ATGM, flying rounds etc)
Need to be far of infantry... the tendency of riding infantry on tanks or putting cargo on is certainly not advised with ARENA equipped rig.

Would have been highly needed when they where distributing ATGM like candies... right now, mines could be a bigger problem. More antimining rig in front of tank needed big time.
 
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