The War in the Ukraine

Stealthflanker said:

What take them so long hahahaha. Good development tho.

It could handle older ATGM's like Stugna or Milan but Javelin might require something else or somehow the Arena should also be provided with obscurants and maybe longer ranging radar to detect inbound top attacks. The other concern is false alarms as the system have to be really capable on identifying at least the class of the threat (ATGM, flying rounds etc)

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well, right now they have plenty of Javelins and NLAWs to test Arena against

Lancet hits a Ukrainian tank at the rear. The back of the tank starts burning.


A Krab, spotted by an Orlan. This time a Krasnopol took it out.


Remains of a Ukrainian 2S1 Gvozdika.

Looks like a general withdraw from Bakhmut is just around the corner now.

Temstar said:

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Looks like a general withdraw from Bakhmut is just around the corner now.

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General withdraw under fire... Russia need to hammer them big time if not they will just encroach themselves in the next highrise. Not finishing the encirclement is one thing, letting them out without catastrophic losses would be a bigger blunder.

Wow, with 8 new brigades Ukraine will completely overwhelm Russian defenses in Zaporizhzhia. This is going to be really bad for Russia if they don't mobilize more forces soon.

I just don't get why they are not mobilizing more? I keep searching for clues in the internet looking for any news on Mobilization because that is the only thing that is going to save Russia from losing this war.

There is no way Russia can win a war of Attrition with such a small force when Ukraine is mobilizing almost a million and will likely keep mobilizing and training more troops. They have no problem with Budget at the moment, they have very high morale and motivation.

When you compare that with Russia, its just so woefully inferior. They are afraid to even mobilize reservists. They are afraid to use new conscripts. Its just constant fear of political backlash from the Russian population that is keeping Russia down from really fighting this war.

Temstar said:

Something a bit curious is going on:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1643305075626893320

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1643254242910654464

Rumor floating around on weibo is that Pakistani 122mm rounds are built to Chinese 122mm howitzer spec, and that Chinese and Russian 122mm howitzers have drifted apart long enough that although their rounds size are still the same the specs are different enough that the ammo is not interchangeable.

Not really familiar with Pakistan artillery, anyone familiar with the matter can speak to if this could be the cause?

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Ukrainians also use their artillery farther from the frontlines, which requires a stronger propellant charge. Their barrels will wear out faster from the charges which could be why similar issues are also experienced with their other Soviet and NATO tubes.

Stealthflanker said:

Do they need to be dealt with more than EW tho. Also 100000 Drones of what ? If they are DJI Drones, how the Ukrainian will control them all ? having 100000 soldiers controlling each drone ? That's some considerable electronic signature there

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100,000 drones wont be in air simultaneously.

Hitomi said:

They are currently using the PL-96 which by most accounts available online is an upgrade of the licensed produced D-30.

What was upgraded is really vague beyond increased range and guided rounds capability (lighter construction material?) but they did mention the gun was backwards compatible with Russian 122mm ammunition but whether the rounds specifically developed to be used with the PL-96 is backwards compatible would need more information.

If the above mentioned information is true, the Chinese must have increased the power of the charges to increase the range. The increased chamber pressure must have tore the older Soviet made guns which have been rated for a lower pressure especially considering the number of rounds they have to fire a day.

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Looking at that muzzle brake in the 2nd video, I have seen guns 40 years old that don't look like that.
It looks like it came from a 17th century blacksmith.

Do we believe those ranges quoted on the internet? If so, the base range of PLZ-07 is 18km and 2S1 are 18 and 15 Km respectively, so it would check out that the charges are more powerful than the original Soviet spec. Since Pakistan is only using Chinese-origin equipment in that caliber, there is no reason to follow Soviet specs.

In actuality, then the quality of the Pakistani ammo is probably quite good because it is actually creating that higher pressure.

The solution is quite simple since the ammo is two-piece, don't fire at full charge (all bags).

Also adding, Pakistan is not using 152mm ammo as used by 2S3, so I wonder if that second tweet is accurate.
152mm is not listed here

Brits bought the Pk ammo, so Ukrainians should complaint to London.

supersnoop said:

The solution is quite simple since the ammo is two-piece, don't fire at full charge (all bags).

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I don't think thats really is an option. There was a video floating on twitter showing how the rounds are delivered and the charge was just 1 solid bag rather than several smaller charges.