Hmm. How can you tell those tanks are Ukrainian? When I see a T-72 tank with Kontakt-5 ERA my first assumption is that this is a Russian tank. Although by now, there could be quite a few T-72B3s in Ukrainian hands ...
The War in the Ukraine
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am I serious saying Patriot anti-air missiles presents a legitimate threat to Su-35s, Su-30s, helicopters, drones and that will prolong the war? yes. What exactly is controversial about this comment? I didn't even mention missiles in that post.
the behavior of these tanks not very competent and not very relevant to fight. who are more likely going to do it to hide from the air.
So i am guessing the reason why there are a lot of pissed off turkish posters is because Ukraine was supposed to develop and produce the engines for the Akinci and MIUS drones?
Are these the same patriots that the Saudis used to defend their oil facilities from Iranian drones?
Are these the same patriots that the Saudis used to defend their oil facilities from Iranian drones?
The only thing the MIC will get with sending the Patriot to Odessa and seeing it fail will be to get funding to develop a replacement.
US air defenses are shit. The only Western aligned nation with layered air defenses comparable with Russia is Israel.
But even Israel's systems are not designed to be as mobile as Russian ones. Their doctrine isn't suitable to US uses.
In theory the US Navy has appropriate systems but putting a naval system on land based mobile platforms is easier said than done.
Typically naval weapons systems are not optimized for weight at all.
US air defenses are shit. The only Western aligned nation with layered air defenses comparable with Russia is Israel.
But even Israel's systems are not designed to be as mobile as Russian ones. Their doctrine isn't suitable to US uses.
In theory the US Navy has appropriate systems but putting a naval system on land based mobile platforms is easier said than done.
Typically naval weapons systems are not optimized for weight at all.
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To be fair Patriots and S300 are equally bad against massed small kamikazi drones. It's just not what they're designed for.
Not sure it'll fail, but I am pretty sure, if the Patriot is sent at all, it will be the PAC-2 missiles with upgrades.
How it performs in an AD role will definitely be interesting.
The US definitely needs a massive air defense upgrade, but that belongs under the US military thread.
Which uses Patriot, but will be replacing it with a local product. Given the age of the Patriot, that's not surprising.
Supposedly, the US built over 1k launchers for Patriot and has 480+ in active service. If the other 500 or so are in some sort of stockpile, that will be quite interesting to watch.
That's a lot of launchers if they still have them in reserve. Old stockpiles of missiles do fails a lot... and they need to carry these in Ukraine too. Incredible the amount of hardware throwed in Ukraine, a lot of these will ends in black markets for sure.
Scuds sucked.
I had a friend from Israel who said no one was seriously afraid of them and just laughed.
1. They were pretty slow
2. They were super inaccurate
3. Almost no one died or got seriously hurt by them
According to him, they had really early warning about them, and if you were too stupid to get into the designated shelters, it was your own fault. More people died of heart attacks from the SCUD warning than the actual missiles
They where highly unpredictable for interception, most of them where breaking appart on descent with the fuel tank empty and the warhead was thick and impervious to shrapnel... a bunch of scrap falling from the sky more or less.