The War in the Ukraine

Atomicfrog

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It is beginning to look more and more to me that Zelensky wanted to end the war via a negotiated settlement from day 1. But every time he raised the idea, it was shut down by the US. Now he is testing the water once again.

If he can sustain this for a week or two, may be he is given a bit more leeway this time. But I doubt it.
Zelensky is a tool, he got tangled in the blender that was already there before he got elected. Maybe he try not to get himself in his own Ukrainian government's 'blacklist'. He play the game well but damn....when you get pushed off a cliff and asking mid course for a parachute to the guys who pushed you it look a bit funky.
 

Stealthflanker

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There goes Russia's main advantage thus far... the ability to conduct long range missile and air strikes.


They can still use Kh-101's and well, suppressing the Patriot itself maybe ? Depending on block Patriot missiles have anywhere from 70-220 km range. While supposedly Kh-31PM can do 250 km. It's not like Russia lacking tools for this.

Given Patriot itself lacks mast mounted radars.. then well it's actually worse in intercepting low fliers.
 

Abominable

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Zelensky is a zionist who's only loyalty is to Israel and America. He's censoring the media and controlling the narrative to make out like Ukraine is winning, when in reality their soldiers are being slaughtered. I doubt a Ukrainian would be comfortable with so many of his people dying.

If you want to know how this plays out see the Armenia-Azerbaijan war. Armenia did the exact same thing. Control the media to make out you're winning. Works fine right till the enemy is at your gate.

It's actually a good strategy to let the world think Ukraine is "winning". It's already no longer a headline issue in most western countries. I'm surprised but it's just become another Yemen or Syria. Suits Russia fine, just let the military keep doing their job in silence.
 

Phead128

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What makes you think it will work better against Russian theater missiles than it does against Houti clones of Iranian cruise missiles?
I said air superiority, which means those Su-35s, Su-30s, helicopters, drones, etc... I never mention missiles? It's well understood that Patriots perform poorly against missiles.
The performance specifications of the older versions of Patriot aren't better than the ones in the Soviet S-300 systems the Ukrainians had.
Yes, Russia likely had backdoor access and knows all vulnerability of all former Soviet hardware, including S-300, not surprised.
And it takes years, not weeks, nor months, to learn how to operate a system like that. For your info the USA does not allow Saudi Arabia to operate the Patriot. The systems in Saudi Arabia are operated by US operators. And this is the case in most countries which have the Patriot.
Which is why I said embedded "advisors" will be defacto operating it, either in-person or remotely? You don't think Ukraine will ask for remote operational support in interim? Unless Russia can crack NATO encryption, how would they even prove definitely?
 
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pmc

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You are asking for air supremacy which, yes, RuAF has not achieved. What they have achieved though is air superiority. We don't know how much interdiction is going on, but we do know it's going on and each time there's a success that's a big favorable trade.
Its complete air supremacy as Ukraine air force and air defense is ineffective. The side having supremacy has confidence of choosing timing and location of interdiction or not engage at all.
It is largest operation of low altitude flying.
But that aside, even on the ground we're seeing Russians fight better in Phase 2:

I heard KUB-BLA kamikazi UAV are like $100 bucks each. Were it not for Russia's lack of ability to produce chips in large scale the sky over Ukraine would already be flooded with them. Even so we are seeing KUB and Orlan-10 being used much more now to good effect.
They already have these drones before in use in 2020. but what new thing introduce is very advance C3. ultimately it is the radar pods and JSTAR type aircraft that locate things for drones. current tactical drones have no ability to find unknown things unless hours of flying time wasted to every square meter.

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Overbom

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There goes Russia's main advantage thus far... the ability to conduct long range missile and air strikes.

Seems to be true. Here is the WaPo article:
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The bill, passed on an 86-to-11 vote Thursday, provides a combined $20 billion in military aid that is expected to finance the transfer of advanced weapons systems, such as Patriot antiaircraft missiles and long-range artillery.
 

Anlsvrthng

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Yes, Russia likely had backdoor access and knows all vulnerability of all former Soviet hardware, including S-300, not surprised.
Ukraine had capability comparable to Russia regards of radars and control electronics, so after eight years I am sure they replaced all computer code and suspectible transmitter.

They haven't had any other choice anyway, considering the absence of spares for Russia.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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There goes Russia's main advantage thus far... the ability to conduct long range missile and air strikes.

Perhaps you should have presented this same news to the Saudis when it keeps getting hammered by the Houthis missiles and the Israelis before that back in 1991 during the 1st Gulf War when the Patriot missiles couldn't actually stopped the scuds Iraqis were firing into Israel to the point that then Israeli PM was threatening to enter the war.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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How much do you want to bet that ethnic Ukrainian-American "advisors" will be defacto operating these Patriot air defense systems, either in-person, or even remotely?

Sadly, Russia's main advantage (air superiority) will be blunt by the Patriot air defense system, which will only prolong this war longer and longer.
Are you serious?
 
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