The War in the Ukraine

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foxmulder

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I remember it wasn't that long ago all the media was saying the war have to be over by 9th of May because that's Victory Day and Putin declared that as the deadline, and anyway after this date Russia would be out of strength to continue fighting.

Even then I wasn't convinced. Usually when people say "war will be over by Christmas" or something like that it doesn't work out well. What's to say Russia can't keep this up for years and keep grinding forward slowly.

On that note, I note that people do say NATO's MIC is much bigger than Russian MIC and yes it's true. But the underlying assumption is that when US send Ukraine a billion dollar worth of military assets it will take Russia a billion dollars equivalent to destroy them on the battlefield and I just don't think that's true. With Russian air superiority and cruise missiles raining down on supply lines the exchange rate is way way worse than that, 20-to-1 or 30-to-1 have been quoted. Now the question of who will be exhausted first is not so clear.
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That is not happening, though...
 
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panzerfeist1

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no idea if this was posted here before so here you go guys

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Leader of Azov battalion transferred from Azovstal plant in armored vehicle - top brass​

He was transferred from the plant in a special armored vehicle because of Mariupol residents’ hatred and desire to execute him for numerous atrocities, Igor Konashenkov said

MOSCOW, May 20. /TASS/. The leader of Azov neo-Nazis has been taken from the Azovstal steel plant in a special armored vehicle due to the hatred of Mariupol residents for their numerous atrocities, Russian Defense Ministry Spokesman Major-General Igor Konashenkov said on Friday.
"The so-called ‘commander’ of the Azov Nazis was transferred from the plant in a special armored vehicle because of Mariupol residents’ hatred and desire to execute him for numerous atrocities," he said.
 
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Six militants killed at Azovstal plant while trying to blow up ammo depots - DPR leader​

"It is unclear who did this, no one is assuming responsibility, but after the main group walked out, <…> someone ordered to blow up ammunition caches," Donetsk People’s Republic leader Denis Pushilin told

MOSCOW, May 21. /TASS/. Six Ukrainain servicemen were killed on the territory of the Azovstal Plant in Mariupol when they tried to blow up their ammunition caches before surrendering, Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) leader Denis Pushilin told the Soloviev Live YouTube channel on Saturday.
"It is unclear who did this, no one is assuming responsibility, but after the main group walked out, <…> someone ordered to blow up ammunition caches. This was done in haste, and orders were unclear, so, as a result, six people died immediately, and, as far as I know, four were injured," he said.
According to Pushilin, an unknown number of Ukrainian servicemen could still be on the plant’s territory. In his words, they have a stock of food and water, but are short on medicines.
The DPR leader went on to say that "every room, every nook and cranny" of the plant are currently being thoroughly searched.

On Friday, Russian Defense Ministry Spokesman Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov said that Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu had informed President Vladimir Putin that the operation to liberate completely the Azovstal plant and the entire city of Mariupol from Ukrainian militants had been completed. A total of 2,439 Azov battalion nationalists and Ukrainian service members, who were holed up inside the plant since April 21, have laid down their arms and surrendered since May 16.
 
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Topazchen

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Temstar said:
I remember it wasn't that long ago all the media was saying the war have to be over by 9th of May because that's Victory Day and Putin declared that as the deadline, and anyway after this date Russia would be out of strength to continue fighting.

Even then I wasn't convinced. Usually when people say "war will be over by Christmas" or something like that it doesn't work out well. What's to say Russia can't keep this up for years and keep grinding forward slowly.

On that note, I note that people do say NATO's MIC is much bigger than Russian MIC and yes it's true. But the underlying assumption is that when US send Ukraine a billion dollar worth of military assets it will take Russia a billion dollars equivalent to destroy them on the battlefield and I just don't think that's true. With Russian air superiority and cruise missiles raining down on supply lines the exchange rate is way way worse than that, 20-to-1 or 30-to-1 have been quoted. Now the question of who will be exhausted first is not so clear.
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They set imaginary targets for Russia and if they don't come to pass, ,they declare Ukrainian victory.
 
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