The War in the Ukraine

FairAndUnbiased

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Let me break it down to you simply:
  1. Russia invaded entire Ukraine with a land force + aerial campaign.
  2. US and South Vietnam did not invade North Vietnam with a land force, only aerial bombardment.
  3. ....
  4. Russia invaded Ukraine despite risk of NATO intervention
  5. US refused to invade North Vietnam because of risk of Chinese intervention.
  6. ....
  7. Not comparable
The Vietnam War would be equivalent to Russia sending 500K troops to defend DPR/LNR states-only, and refraining from invading Ukrainian-controlled territory, just as US send 500K troops to defend South Vietnam-only, and refraining from invading North Vietnam territory.
US also wanted to retake lost territory of South Vietnam.

DPR/LPR covered all of Donbass at the start of Euromaidan, just that they lost it to a Ukrainian counterattack in 2015. So there's some equivalence here.
 

solarz

Brigadier
Let me break it down to you simply:
  1. Russia invaded entire Ukraine with a land force + aerial campaign.
  2. US and South Vietnam did not invade North Vietnam with a land force, only aerial bombardment.
  3. ....
  4. Russia invaded Ukraine despite risk of NATO intervention
  5. US refused to invade North Vietnam because of risk of Chinese intervention.
  6. ....
  7. Not comparable
The Vietnam War would be equivalent to Russia sending 500K troops to defend DPR/LNR states-only, and refraining from invading Ukrainian-controlled territory, just as US send 500K troops to defend South Vietnam-only, and refraining from invading North Vietnam territory.

Not sure why you insist on making these irrelevant comparisons.

The Vietnam War was the most recent war in which the US faced a near-peer adversary, the other being Korea. While Vietnam by itself could not have hoped to stand against the US, it was supported by both Russia and China in equipment and manpower.

These are extremely similar circumstances to the current Ukraine war.
 

Anlsvrthng

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against its power and fuel supply infrastructure, Ukraine claims it has actually increased its fuel reserves to the point of surplus thanks to the influx of imports and an innovative logistics operation using thousands of fuel trucks as mobile storage sites.
Ukraine began receiving large amounts of fuel in January from the U.S., and over the course of Russia's all-out invasion, purchased thousands of fuel tanker trucks to create a mobile storage system, said Serhiy Kuyun, director of the
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, a Ukrainian fuel market research firm.


Not entirely clear why they say "ukraine bought trucks" when it was done by the UK and USA obivously.


Anyway, it means that USA blended the military trafick into the civilian one, using up the reluctance of Russians to attack civilian infrastructure.

The cost of the move is most likelly few hundred million euro, cost of an used 25 m3 trailer is around 10-20 k .
 

Biscuits

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Forced mobilization in Odessa continues. Then Oleksiy Danilov (the secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine) will explain that this is all Russian propaganda and no one is forcibly driving people to the front line.






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There has been a lot of mobilisations from Ukraine, but I think the real litmus test whether the regime is truly on its last legs when it comes to taking losses is when they start drafting women as well.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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Forced mobilization in Odessa continues. Then Oleksiy Danilov (the secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine) will explain that this is all Russian propaganda and no one is forcibly driving people to the front line.






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This happened in another conflict within recent history: KMT vs. CPC civil war.

KMT dragged people out of their homes to mobilize. The end result is they lost 99.9% of their territory.

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与国共战争时,有国民党地方政府和军队不依照法令之规定,随意绑架民众从军,或者担任军中的军伕,统称为拉壮丁、抓壮丁、捉壮丁、捉丁
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。四川方言话剧《
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》就是以讽刺的角度反映了
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期间发生在四川农村的事例。
 

sheogorath

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There has been a lot of mobilisations from Ukraine, but I think the real litmus test whether the regime is truly on its last legs when it comes to taking losses is when they start drafting women as well.

I do find it suspect how they seem to focus on certain regions that might not be firmly pro-Ukranian. Videos of people dragged from the streets of Lviv or Ternopil seem rare in comparisson
 

plawolf

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Forced mobilization in Odessa continues. Then Oleksiy Danilov (the secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine) will explain that this is all Russian propaganda and no one is forcibly driving people to the front line.






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What is the actual point of these forces conscriptions? People who fight like that to not get drafted will desert the first chance they get anyways.
 

Anlsvrthng

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What is the actual point of these forces conscriptions? People who fight like that to not get drafted will desert the first chance they get anyways.
Most likelly the drafting units has a number that they need to deliver.

If they fail to do so then they will go to the frontline, and replaced with a more willing unit.

And they don't need willing persons, they need meatbags to be in the trenches, dig if needed and represent an obstacle.

Nothing more. Probably they will receive an old gun without ammunition, to avoid any risk .
 

baykalov

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According to this analyst, Russia has built more defensive structures in the south than around Svatovo. This makes sense, because this is the only place where Russia could suffer a catastrophic defeat. Russia is taking extra steps to prevent a catastrophe here.


The New York Times article where Russia could attack and Where Ukraine could attack:

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