The War in the Ukraine

Atomicfrog

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There are claims that Russia started to use radar reflective balloons to trigger Ukrainian air defenses

With the balloon news buzz in the US, that's hilarious.

They are putting Luneburg lens on balloon ? Strange because they will be slow and doppler system will have hard time to track them... but longer they are on tracking better it is for SEAD.

Putting mp3 jukebox on these playing russian national anthem non stop would be trolling bigtime.
 

Sinnavuuty

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sheogorath

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Article pointing out that increasing production of artillery shells within NATO for use in Ukraine is complicated, in part because weapons manufacturers have reduced their capacity since the end of the Cold War as making ammunition isn't particularly profitable and because there is a multitude of artillery systems being used by the Ukranians which makes manufacturing of rounds with proper quality control hard

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The propellant charges, for example, must release energy at a rate that conforms to the tolerances of the system through which it will be fired and match the power upon which the range tables for the system are based. If the UK were producing 155mm rounds for its own artillery, this would be one problem, but Ukrainian forces use 17 artillery types of both Nato and Soviet legacy design, not all of which we have the technical specifications for.

Then they try to paint an image that Russia's advantage is related to being on a war footing and not having to care about quality control, but since they never fully privatized their inherited MIC from the Soviet Union, they could "afford", to some extent, keeping their artillery manufacturing capacity. Or if they lost it, they might have been able to restore it after they saw the writing on the wall since 2014-2015

Russia also requires vast amounts of ammunition. However, Putin has put his entire economy
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. It is not subject to the same commercial constraints as Nato’s defence industry, and Russian producers are not constrained by concerns over industrial safety. Nato must strive to ramp up production before Moscow resolves the inefficiencies, corruption and inertia of its manufacturing base.
 

drowingfish

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Article pointing out that increasing production of artillery shells within NATO for use in Ukraine is complicated, in part because weapons manufacturers have reduced their capacity since the end of the Cold War as making ammunition isn't particularly profitable and because there is a multitude of artillery systems being used by the Ukranians which makes manufacturing of rounds with proper quality control hard

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Then they try to paint an image that Russia's advantage is related to being on a war footing and not having to care about quality control, but since they never fully privatized their inherited MIC from the Soviet Union, they could "afford", to some extent, keeping their artillery manufacturing capacity. Or if they lost it, they might have been able to restore it after they saw the writing on the wall since 2014-2015
i am sure Iran and north korea can also manufacture 122mm and 152mm shells, which they then can export to russia. China of course has the most to offer though i am not sure if China is actually helping here or in what capacity.
 

drowingfish

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If Russia wants to prevent Ukrainians from escaping Bakhmut, they're gonna need to encircle it a lot more than they are right now. In Severeodonietsk, even after surround the city and blowing up the bridges, most of the contingent escaped to Lysichansk by fording the river.
the issue here is not being able to withdraw, but not being able to properly supply the units in and around the city. given how fierce the battle is going i imagine they need a lot of ammo, food and medicine, if those are scarce then the whole front in that sector could collapse.
 

taxiya

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+320,000 Chinese combat troops participated in the Vietnam War, so unless 320,000 NATO troops are operating Patriots Anti-Air missiles, engineering roles, supply/logistics in Ukrainian soil (like China did in North Vietnam), it's not an apt comparison to make between Ukraine and Vietnam. A substantial reason why Vietnam wasn't invaded by a land force across the 17th parallel was because of this nuclear superpower ally that has direct skin in the game...that doesn't exist in Ukraine situation.
The 320,000 is the total number ever in Vietnam which spread over many years, not the number at a given time. The peak number within a year was about 200,000 which is also more commonly quoted. If you look at the figures on Wiki (not far from truth IMO), the north had a disadvantage of man power compared to the south. The US alone had much more troops (543,000 in 1969) in Vietnam than China's less than 200,000 at any given time.

China was filling that short-fall. Ukraine on the other hand is much larger than Vietnam relatively, they don't need NATO troops to fill the number, they just need the weapons. So I think Vietnam and Ukraine is the closest comparison one can get. If NATO sends in 200,000 troops to free the Ukrainian to move more to the front-line, we would be talking about a Korean scaled war.
 
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Phead128

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The 320,000 is the total number ever in Vietnam which spread over many years, not the number at a given time. The peak number within a year was about 200,000 which is also more commonly quoted. If you look at the figures on Wiki (not far from truth IMO), the north had a disadvantage of man power compared to the south. The US alone had much more troops (543,000 in 1969) in Vietnam than China's less than 200,000 at any given time.

China was filling that short-fall. Ukraine on the other hand is much larger than Vietnam relatively, they don't need NATO troops to fill the number, they just need the weapons. So I think Vietnam and Ukraine is the closest comparison one can get. If NATO sends in 200,000 troops to free the Ukrainian to move more to the front-line, we would be talking about a Korean scaled war.

Let me break it down to you simply:
  1. Russia invaded entire Ukraine with a land force + aerial campaign.
  2. US and South Vietnam did not invade North Vietnam with a land force, only aerial bombardment.
  3. ....
  4. Russia invaded Ukraine despite risk of NATO intervention
  5. US refused to invade North Vietnam because of risk of Chinese intervention.
  6. ....
  7. Not comparable
The Vietnam War would be equivalent to Russia sending 500K troops to defend DPR/LNR states-only, and refraining from invading Ukrainian-controlled territory, just as US send 500K troops to defend South Vietnam-only, and refraining from invading North Vietnam territory.
 
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