The War in the Ukraine

drowingfish

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i recall commenting earlier that a cold winter was what putin was banking on for an easy victory. as the winter ends without european capitulation, putin has no choice now but to win it militarily. since there it is clearly no longer an option to conduct big arrow warfare like the old days, the only avenue to a military victory would be something akin to the one hundred day campaign that marked the end of WWI. that won't happen any time soon because the ukrainians are about to be replenished with a lot of modern weapons. Russia will likely have to withstand some heavy ukrainian counteroffensives before exhausting them to a point where they can be broken.

from Ukraine's perspective, they are essentially rolling the dice with this counteroffensive everyone is talking about. if bakhmut is stalingrad, then this offensive will be kursk. zelensky certainly will throw everything he's got at this one. when this offensive happens, we will have witnessed in full what the Ukrainian army's limit is at. either Ukraine succeeds and punches through russian defense to open up the war, or they fail to move the line by much after expending a full NATO equipped army, at which point both him and zaluzhny will be questioned and at least one of them will have to step down somehow.

this summer will be interesting i think it will also be the culmination.

it will be interesting to hear what he has to say in his televised speech in a few days, perhaps finally put the entire country on a war footing?
 

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Has anyone here hypothesized that the Russians might not be preparing for a general offensive before Ukraine, but rather a counteroffensive after the Ukrainian offensive which is expected to take place in the spring or summer of this year?
this is actually why i kept referring to the one hundred day campaign, which materialized after a failed german offensive. its like boxing, you get the other guy to commit, parry his attack, then make your strike while he is off balance.

the NYT article shared above says something that is pretty obvious to everyone watching this war, that Ukraine is going to attack somewhere in zaprozhia, where they are further away from russia. and russia is certainly doing the right thing by building up its defensive network around melitopol. it is also like what i said, it is basically kursk, where the next target for attack is quite obvious, and a defensive network is being set up for it.

of course this is only the most likely scenario, cant really rule out Ukraine getting clever and chooses to counterattack somewhere else say bakhmut, which allows them to destroy what is currently Russia's most potent force the Wagner.
 

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i recall commenting earlier that a cold winter was what putin was banking on for an easy victory. as the winter ends without european capitulation, putin has no choice now but to win it militarily.

I don't see how Europe has won the gas war since Europe continues to conserve energy under the slogan "The best energy is unused energy". In my country we say the following saying in such cases: 'Austerity is the mother of misery'.

Let us not forget that Europe has spent nearly USD 1 trillion on subsidies and energy aid for businesses and households.

Quote from the article:

However, the EU’s ability to refill storages to the new 90 percent target ahead of next winter will likely depend on continued reduction in gas consumption.

Brussels set member states a voluntary target of cutting gas demand by 15 percent from August last year. Gas demand actually fell by more than 20 percent between August and December, according to the latest Commission data, partly thanks to efficiency measures but also the consequence of consumers responding to much higher prices by using less energy.

The 15 percent target may need to be extended beyond its expiry date of March 31 to avoid gas demand rebounding as prices fall. EU energy ministers are set to discuss the issue at two forthcoming meetings in February and March.
 

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this is actually why i kept referring to the one hundred day campaign, which materialized after a failed german offensive. its like boxing, you get the other guy to commit, parry his attack, then make your strike while he is off balance.

the NYT article shared above says something that is pretty obvious to everyone watching this war, that Ukraine is going to attack somewhere in zaprozhia, where they are further away from russia. and russia is certainly doing the right thing by building up its defensive network around melitopol. it is also like what i said, it is basically kursk, where the next target for attack is quite obvious, and a defensive network is being set up for it.

of course this is only the most likely scenario, cant really rule out Ukraine getting clever and chooses to counterattack somewhere else say bakhmut, which allows them to destroy what is currently Russia's most potent force the Wagner.
I saw your comment posted when I had just posted my comment. Basically in the same direction as you.

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Russian tactics for taking trenches are changing, with armor opening a line of intense suppressive fire and landing infantry a few meters away.
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Another problem in case there is a Ukrainian offensive in Zaporizhzhia, as has already happened twice:
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Too wide terrain, similar to what the allies had in Kuwait, but they had immense technological, artillery and aviation advantage. In terms of fire control system, Abrams, Leopard 2A5/6 and Challenger II have practical equality with T-72B3M, T-90M and T-80BVM, with 2nd and 3rd generation thermal systems, but the Russians have air superiority and in artillery, as demonstrated in the Ukrainian offensive at Huliapole, where the Russians had more T-80BV and T-72BV.

The Leopard 2A4s have older generation IR, even lower than the T-62M, which have 2nd generation thermal sights. Not to mention the Moroccan T-72B that only have passive IR systems and the Leopard 1 that have derivatives of the 2A4, the EMES 15.

There will be 31 Leopard 2A5 and 2A6 and 30 Leopard 2A4, which will be the last to be delivered due to repairs.

There is still a possibility that is being aired that the Ukrainians intend to carry out military operations in Transnistria, where there are about 2-4 thousand Russian Military and another 2 thousand Separatists. I don't know how the Ukrainians will do this, but there is such a possibility.
The Ukrainian president's office has handed over to MI6 plans of the Ukrainian General Staff for a military operation against Transnistria.

Britain must push the Moldovan president and obtain tacit approval for a military operation by the AFU in the DMR that would allow the Khokhlyas to replenish their ammunition stocks for Soviet-era equipment.

Two kilometers from the Ukrainian border, on DMR territory, is the largest ammunition depot in Europe. It is located in the village of Kolbasna. This arsenal is guarded by the Operative Group of Russian Forces (OGRF) deployed in Transnistria as well as the local military.

According to many experts, the amount of ammunition in the Transnistrian warehouse is enough for several years of war.

It seems that the thesis that "Moldova will be next" has the right to live...
The Russians are having more success with their cruise missile strikes, using Shahid drones in a saturation attack on Ukrainian anti-aircraft defenses and then sending in Kalibr, which, between them, have decoys.

To complete my post:

There are 47 Leopards (2A4, 2A5 and 2A6, with unknown ammunition), 31 M1A2 Abrams (Chobham armor), 60 PT-91 and 14 Challenger II (Chobham too), with support from 60-70 Bradleys.

Together, there are 187 (?) Leopard 1 and 20 Moroccan T-72S.

That's enough strength to sustain an offensive in a limited region, which needs to be on clear ground due to the mass of armor and everything points me to Zaporizhzhia.

Kharkiv is a region full of villages and forests, a feast for light infantry. The Russians suffered from this and the Ukrainians now suffer from VDV in Svatovo, so much so that the Russians are now on the counterattack.

Kherson is very well guarded along its entire bank, which completely prevents its crossing:
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The only region where there are bridges for transporting these vehicles is Zaporizhzhia and Dnipropetrovsk.

If I were the Russians, I would keep the reserves and bomb these two bridges, letting these vehicles pass through only one place: Poltava. There is the main Logistic HUB of all Donbas for the Ukrainians and where there are railway lines for transporting heavy armored vehicles.

The Ukrainians would have to concentrate these assets there if they did not adopt an offensive and instead used these assets to counterattack or defend Slavyansk-Kramatorsk after the fall of Bakhmut, which should take place in early March or earlier depending on progress on the ground.
 

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Denmark and the Netherlands roll back decision on transfer of Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine, reports Welt:

Denmark and the Netherlands have revised their decision on the transfer of Leopard 2 battle tanks and will not deliver them to Ukraine.

The governments of the Netherlands and Denmark have announced that neither country will deliver Leopard-2 tanks, reports the German news source Welt.

Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte said the only tanks his country could provide in theory were 18 Leopard-2 tanks leased to the country from Germany. Both countries decided that these tanks were not available for Ukraine.

The Danish government, which possesses 44 tanks in its arsenal, told Welt that it would not participate in Germany's tank coalition. However, both the Netherlands and Denmark have committed financial resources to refurbishing 100 Leopard-1 tanks in German warehouses.

Finland has not yet pledged tanks to Ukraine. Welt referenced a recent Wall Street Journal article from Feb. 9 in which a senior NATO official was quoted as saying Finalnd would likely not make such a commitment until it was granted NATO membership.

Polish defense minister Mariusz Blaszczak said on Feb. 14 following the Ramstein-format meeting in Brussels that they were working to ensure Finland would provide tanks. "Today, the Finnish (defense) minister said he's very close to making a decision," added Blaszczak.
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To complete my post:

There are 47 Leopards (2A4, 2A5 and 2A6, with unknown ammunition), 31 M1A2 Abrams (Chobham armor), 60 PT-91 and 14 Challenger II (Chobham too), with support from 60-70 Bradleys.

Together, there are 187 (?) Leopard 1 and 20 Moroccan T-72S.
The latest number of Leopard 2 available "right now" is maybe 30.
This is about a dozen from Germany, a dozen from Poland and 8 between Canada and Portugal.

There may be more available sooner, depending on the ability and speed to conduct overhauls.

Leopard 1 has already been stated to be at least 6 months due to age, if not 2024.

Last I heard, M1 would not be available this year either
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They will likely get Taiwan's tanks, just like they got Taiwan's Javelins and Stingers (sorry Tsai!)
 

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Ukrainian tank walked over Ukrainian mine. This is likely a pervasive problem, running over their own mines.

Demining teams will work for years in Ukraine... we will see a number of tractor getting blown-up each years for decades.

It's one or the strongest armor deterrent on the front. They had time to prepare them big time. Don't know how well Russian forces could open a way from the north or east from Russia without transforming thenselves in husk of blazing steel.

Even with UR-77 Meteorit, it take ages to clear a way. Delayed mines are pretty good against tank mine sweeper. Clearly a pain.
 
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