The War in the Ukraine

Tam

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Demining teams will work for years in Ukraine... we will see a number of tractor getting blown-up each years for decades.

It's one or the strongest armor deterrent on the front. They had time to prepare them big time. Don't know how well Russian forces could open a way from the north or east from Russia without transforming thenselves in husk of blazing steel.

Even with UR-77 Meteorit, it take ages to clear a way. Delayed mines are pretty good against tank mine sweeper. Clearly a pain.

Milchronicles blog has a very detailed account of Ukrainian mine fratricide recently although this doesn't include the reports of them blowing themselves up upon their own mines in Ugledar. Can't vouch for the casualty claims but I suspect intercepted communications.

Armed Forces lost 150 people in Artyomovsk due to NATO mines: details

Retreating from the Red Mountain in early February, units of the 30th mechanized brigade, The 46th airmobile brigade and the 109th battalion of the 10th mining and assault brigade lost at least 150 people killed due to the undermining of equipment on German mines MFOM AT2. According to the Military Chronicle, the installation of these mines in November — December 2022 in case of a breakthrough of the Russian Armed Forces to Artyomovsk ( Bahmut ) was carried out by a special unit consisting of the 58th motorized infantry brigade of the Armed Forces.

After mining the area, servicemen of the 58th brigade of the Armed Forces were displaced to Zaporozhye, but did not leave detailed maps of minefields for formations of the Ukrainian army defending the area of Soledar and Krasnaya Gora. After the retreat of the Ukrainian motorized rifle units from the Red Mountain through the fields on German mines, not only the T-64BV and T-72B tanks, but also the American armored personnel carriers M113 and the Soviet BMP-2 began to be undermined.

Due to the collision with the MFOM AT2 mines during the regrouping and departure of the aircraft from February 1 to 9, a total of at least 12 vehicles of various types were blown up, most of which were sanitary armored personnel carriers, loaded by wounded Ukrainian soldiers.

After the start of mass bombings on German mines, the tanks of the 17th separate tank brigade of the Armed Forces were to be carried out, however, not a single serviceable machine was found for this task.

American armored personnel carriers and protected mine clearance vehicles were not used: their design does not allow equipping the equipment with mine trawls and other means of physical destruction of the charge.

A similar mistake was made by Ukrainian ground forces in the summer of 2022. Then the units of the Armed Forces mined the fields in the area of the villages of Sukhoi Stavok, Belogorka, Andreevka and Lozovoi. After the onset of the offensive, tanks, armored personnel carriers and mine-protected vehicles of the Armed Forces began to be blown up by mines, which led to the loss of about 350 people killed and about 500 wounded.



Extra unrelated addendum to save on posts.

Kornet ATGMs being used again Ukrainian strong points in Bakhmut.

 
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Sinnavuuty

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The latest number of Leopard 2 available "right now" is maybe 30.
This is about a dozen from Germany, a dozen from Poland and 8 between Canada and Portugal.

There may be more available sooner, depending on the ability and speed to conduct overhauls.
Norway will send 8 Leopard 2A4NO and up to 4 Armored Recovery Vehicles/Armored Engineering Vehicles/Bridge Laying Vehicles (much needed to support the tanks themselves).
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Atomicfrog

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It has been mentioned the Ukranians aren't maping their minefields, as units aren't communicating with each other about where they are placing mines, leading to accidents.
It certainly don't help them if they step on their own mines... but also don't help the russians to know where they are if captured.

Anyway, it's a pain for the Russian forces to letting pass 1 years for the Ukrainian to build fortifications and minefields all over the place. The borders to Belarus and Russia are probaly well mined after all this time.
 

Michaelsinodef

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It certainly don't help them if they step on their own mines... but also don't help the russians to know where they are if captured.

Anyway, it's a pain for the Russian forces to letting pass 1 years for the Ukrainian to build fortifications and minefields all over the place. The borders to Belarus and Russia are probaly well mined after all this time.
They spent far longer than 1 year building up mines and fortifications around Bakhmut and well, generally the Donbass area.
 

Atomicfrog

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They spent far longer than 1 year building up mines and fortifications around Bakhmut and well, generally the Donbass area.
And the front is quite slow to move... if Russia have more than the south to be captured in their planning, the more they wait, the more they will face against numerous kind of mines and IEDs. We will see how it works before summer.
 

tabu

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Burying Ukrstna early on this site, where many of Putin's friends are. So far Ukraine is definitely not losing the war, the lend-lease is increasing, the three-day special operation has stretched over a year, depriving Ukraine of the opportunity to continue the war Russia does not have, Russian troops are not near Kiev, not near Summy, not near Kharkov, not near Chernihiv and in Kherson they are no longer there. The offensive front has been reduced to stretches in the suburbs of Ugledar and Bakhmut.
 

zuiquanmonk

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Burying Ukrstna early on this site, where many of Putin's friends are. So far Ukraine is definitely not losing the war, the lend-lease is increasing, the three-day special operation has stretched over a year, depriving Ukraine of the opportunity to continue the war Russia does not have, Russian troops are not near Kiev, not near Summy, not near Kharkov, not near Chernihiv and in Kherson they are no longer there. The offensive front has been reduced to stretches in the suburbs of Ugledar and Bakhmut.

The longer the war, the more beneficial for Russia. Currently outside the Donbas region Ukraine sits at 35 million people while Russia sits at 147 million people, a 4 to 1 advantage. Within the Donbas region it's a 5 million compared to 1 million, a 5 to 1 advantage. By next year Ukraine's population outside the Donbas region shrinks to 34 million, giving Russia nearly 4.5 to 1 advantage outside the Donbas region. 5 years from now that advantage grows to nearly 5 to 1. The longer the war goes on, the more outnumbered Ukraine becomes. It's a simple math.
 
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