The War in the Ukraine

tankphobia

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Thats a whole load of cope. That exact logic can apply to what the US is doing in Taiwan, they are getting Abrams too, Pelosi's visit and so on. Guess the US doesn't fear China can't escalate, either, right?

I mean, what should Russia do when the tanks haven't even made it to Ukraine yet?. I suspect whatever their answer, you wouldn't like either
To everyone, please no more China-Taiwan related discussion

On the Russian side from initial sanctions all the way to full open tap military equipment splurge how has Moscow responded? Other than occasional warning of nuclear Armageddon from Medvedev, Russia as a state have done staggering little to deter further western escalation. Whether that's due to inability or 4D chess move I cannot say.
 
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B777LR

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CNN made me laugh:

Ukraine’s new tanks won’t be the instant game-changer some expect



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Forget the propaganda victory of a destroyed western tank. It will be captured Leopards, Challengers and Abrams being paraded through Moscow and displayed at Kubinka (and no doubt picked apart for study and reverse engineering).

Unlike the advanced howitzers donated in the past, tanks won't be hiding several kilometers behind the generally static frontline. They will be right up in the thick of it. Almost guaranteed that some will fall into Russian hands sooner or later.
 

pmc

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The difference between China and Russia is immense. Firstly Because western tanks would make no difference in Taiwan and secondly China has responded to Pelosi visit with a strong show of force, before any boots are even on the ground. If China were to go kinetic even civilian cargo ships won't be able to dock with Taiwan.

On the Russian side from initial sanctions all the way to full open tap military equipment splurge how has Moscow responded? Other than occasional warning of nuclear Armageddon from Medvedev, Russia as a state have done staggering little to deter further western escalation. Whether that's due to inability or 4D chess move I cannot say.
I dont see any western escalation in Ukraine case. Ukraine didnot got F-16 and advance air defense needed relative to its size for a year.
while Russia already took Crimea and Eastern Ukraine before this invasion. few hands me down weopons is not escalation. rather this small drip drip of weopons provide testing ground for Russians to refine systems and training.
now they are adopting attack drones for swarms to take out more targets. That the reason attack choppers are so important they work at eye sight level with many individual targets. it is all about sensor fusion of radar, optics, on/off board sensors, EW with human brain doing on spot analysis.
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The next Russian weapon... Drones​

attack in swarms​

 

sheogorath

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To everyone, please no more China-Taiwan related discussion


Anyway...
Poland to send PT-91's on top of the Leopard 2A4. Likely the old PT-91 base variant, which isn't that much of an improvement over the previous T-72M's outside the ERA.

The US claims they now have realized they don't have tanks available to give to Ukraine hence why it will take longer to source them

The New York Post reported that
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confirmed that the U.S. does not have enough of M1 Abrams tanks in its stockpile to send over to Ukraine at this time.
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If the tanks were in the Pentagon’s possession, it would take less than a week to get the tanks boxed and shipped. But when using the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative, or USAI, program, it could take months or years because the government goes through procurement to identify and hire contractors to build the weapons.
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Massive explosion in one of Odessa's substations


Interesting video from a few weeks ago, where a Russian T-72B3 manages to hold off for a while an Ukranian armored column of multiple BMP's and APC. In the confussion, one of the Ukranian vehicles opens fire on other Ukranian vehicles.

 
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Nill

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We could debate how strong it was given that it hasn't deterred the US from escalation. Again, using the logic you are applying to Russia in Ukraine.

It has altered the status quo?. Sure it has, so has this war with Iran now getting Su-35's and Turkey causing a rift inside NATO with politicians openly calling to sack them out, one of their oldest and more steadfast members and several countries joining China and Russia into replacing the US dollar as an exchange currency.


That has more to do with the geographical nature of a conflict with Taiwan, being an island, rather than Chinese strengths or Russian weaknesses on their own.

Would China be able to blockade and prevent any support from reaching, say, India?. I seriously doubt it.


And what are Russia's options short of shooting down NATO's E-3 over NATO airspace with all its repercusions? Which leads to second similar question: what are NATO's option to descalate that won't completely destroy their own image to the world and accelerate the rest of the world moving away from them and signals to China that NATO and the EU are actually has-beens?

Your original argument made it seem NATO already has this war in the bag which is hardly the case.


Anyway...
Poland to send PT-91's on top of the Leopard 2A4. Likely the old PT-91 base variant, which isn't that much of an improvement over the previous T-72M's outside the ERA.

The US claims they now have realized they don't have tanks available to give to Ukraine hence why it will take longer to source them


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Massive explosion in one of Odessa's substations


Interesting video from a few weeks ago, where a Russian T-72B3 manages to hold off for a while an Ukranian armored column of multiple BMP's and APC. In the confussion, one of the Ukranian vehicles opens fire on other Ukranian vehicles.

The T-72 vid i have heard was from november.
 

memfisa

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I Can't believe we have a few more months to endure all this western MBT wundertank talk. Can we just get some to the front line already so we can see them blow up and move onto the next game changer
This chain of escalation is going to have a profound effect on any adventures Russia decides to go on in the future. Now that the West is able to provide modern tanks without any retaliation from Russia side, next time Russia is pushy with its neighbours the west can justify instantly escalating to tanks without fear of WW3.
It's midly apparent the Russians are not too concerned with these escalations so far, as they haven't really done anything at all except for make life harder on Ukrainians.

To me that's a sign things so far have not really been seen as much of a threat to the Kremlin. I've thought this as well right from the start with Javelins and Bayraktars in the onset. They weren't going to defeat Russia, and they haven't.

Other than the obvious implications of spreading radioactive dust in Europe once again, this I think is a very legitimize concern and a very serious nuclear threat to Russian civilians which they will respond to accordingly, at least I hope they take this seriously and will respond in kind. It's more dangerous than HIMARS, tanks, F16s, Air defence, etc not in the sense they are effective (because overall they arent) but it will leave a lasting destructive effect on humans in the region. We don't need that

Maybe they don't know how to retaliate, which my suggesting it is just a stupid assumption, about as stupid as if I say they can't retaliate. They know how, I know how, so "don't know how" and "cant" are impossible, which suggests they really aren't worried about weapons going to Ukraine aside from dirty bombs in the form of radioactive ammo
 
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Tam

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Ukrainian S-300 battery erased by Iskander.


Terminator in action at Kremenneya.



Ukrainian BMP knocked out by Krasnopol.


Another artillery piece falls victim to Lancet.

 
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baykalov

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Fascinating new RAND report urges Washington to get the hell out of dodge in Ukraine, as "US interests would be best served by avoiding a protracted conflict," and "costs and risks of a long war...outweigh the possible benefits"!

Discussion of the Russia-Ukraine war in Washington is increasingly dominated by the question of how it might end. To inform this discussion, this Perspective identifies ways in which the war could evolve and how alternative trajectories would affect U.S. interests. The authors argue that, in addition to minimizing the risks of major escalation, U.S. interests would be best served by avoiding a protracted conflict. The costs and risks of a long war in Ukraine are significant and outweigh the possible benefits of such a trajectory for the United States. Although Washington cannot by itself determine the war's duration, it can take steps that make an eventual negotiated end to the conflict more likely. Drawing on the literature on war termination, the authors identify key impediments to Russia-Ukraine talks, such as mutual optimism about the future of the war and mutual pessimism about the implications of peace. The Perspective highlights four policy instruments the United States could use to mitigate these impediments: clarifying plans for future support to Ukraine, making commitments to Ukraine's security, issuing assurances regarding the country's neutrality, and setting conditions for sanctions relief for Russia.

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TK3600

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If accurate, the HIMARS must have really caught the Russian's off-guard when first deployed. Seemed like they were scoring hits everyday during the outset of the war, similar to the Turkish drone Baykar Bayraktar TB-2. Though it is impressive that to this point the HIMARS units seem to have avoided being attacked, especially with those Lancet drones Russia has been using recently.

I think it is kind of interesting to see the ebb and flow of the conflict, as one side introduces a new weapon, technology or tactic and gains some sort of temporary upper hand until the adversary develops an effective countermeasure.

EDIT: Also, I just have to say I think the Abrams is the best looking tank ever made! It just looks like what tank should look like! Like a G.I. Joe tank or something.
GI Joe tank is based on MBT-70. MBT-70 is the prototype of Abrams.
 
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