I think the poles already did a deal for abrams for pt-91 or they just donated them fairly certain it was the former though, another thing is where are they going to get replacements? Money is good but it does not magically make a tank appear that requires adequate production lines which the U.S i heard is capable of making something like 20 abrams a month nowhere near enough to fulfill the replacements, some countries can replace them but that would still take time.
The War in the Ukraine
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bajingan
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Is she trolling or being serious? if putin withdraw from ukraine, nato troops will be placed on ukraine
Or the FORM of the tank was more important for the deisgners than the FUNCTIONof it.
The priority was on the external looking , not on the utility and affordability.
Visibly there was no real top level calculation and evaluation for the desired characteristics, that the tank needs to fit.
It was more about they supply it, and we decide if it is good or not.
They need to send tanks because the Ukrainan tank inventory depleted beyond recovery.
Visibly the Ukrianan army lost mobility, not capable to move reserves to the hot positions on the front.
Russia testing the frontline now, and the results promising for Russia, Ukraine not capable any more to reinforce positions. Due to the lost vehicles, and mostly due to the tanks, they have the protection and firepower to move quickly to pressuresed front segments and start counterattack.
Before war Ukraine had 2500 MBTs, now the number is most likelly in the low hundreds , and still falling.
It is a very desperate move from the USAto fill the hole.
And all of this talk about quality and so on is rubbish.
The front in Ukraine needs number, not G.I. Joe cartoon quality.
Infantry can establish defended positions for tanks, it drop into it, shoot 20-30 times, and go to the next position .
Interesting analysis. According to the author, Donbass is one of the most fortified regions on the planet.
Ukrainian defense lines
Since 2014, Ukraine, with the help and support of the NATO, has fortified the future battlefields in many ways like hundreds of trenches, fortified ramparts, tunnels, fortified defense lines, concrete ammo deposit etc. Ukraine was, in the beginning of 2022, one of the most fortified countries in the whole world. The defensive strategy of AFU was based on the defined and constructed four defense lines.
Read the full analysis:
Ukrainian defense lines
Since 2014, Ukraine, with the help and support of the NATO, has fortified the future battlefields in many ways like hundreds of trenches, fortified ramparts, tunnels, fortified defense lines, concrete ammo deposit etc. Ukraine was, in the beginning of 2022, one of the most fortified countries in the whole world. The defensive strategy of AFU was based on the defined and constructed four defense lines.
Read the full analysis:
Everything is vulnerable to something. Unless Ukraine is a literal 10 IQ monkey, the army formations which will use those tanks will be accompanied by SHORAD
Thats a whole load of cope. That exact logic can apply to what the US is doing in Taiwan, they are getting Abrams too, Pelosi's visit and so on. Guess the US doesn't fear China can't escalate, either, right?
I mean, what should Russia do when the tanks haven't even made it to Ukraine yet?. I suspect whatever their answer, you wouldn't like either
They don't have many of those, also Vikhr and LMUR would put the Ka-52's and Mi-28 outside the range of whatever SHORAD Ukraine has.
But existing Ukrainian tank formations haven't had much AD coverage as it is, even at the start of the war when attrition hadn't hit them hard yet, I don't see them starting now.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
To be honest, those tanks will probably have far more to fear about Russian artillery.
Cheap, small commercial drone spotted artillery has been almost revolutionary in this war due to how effective is has been in erasing armour on both sides that actual tank-on-tank engagements have been exceptionally rare.
That won’t change for Leo’s or Abrams. There will be plenty of propaganda shots of them when they first arrive, but they are almost certainly not going to chance things much on the battlefield.
They either operate in small numbers to minimise chances of attracting Russian artillery and air power, and thus have minimal impact; or if they try a mass armoured charge with them, the Russians will quickly detect and prioritise that push and will respond by spamming the shit out of them with artillery and grads. Any tanks that do survive the artillery will soon find themselves on the receiving end of Russian CAS from Su25s and attack helicopters. By the time T90s actually show up there will probably be nothing by wreckage left.