The War in the Ukraine
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All of this lame excuse with maintanance, logistic, training and so on is just lame and idiotic excuse.
During 2nd WW nothing prevented the USA to send countless tanks and other weapons without any training to frontline tops, they practically drowned the soldiers in equipment.
Same for the CCCP.
The Germans had superior training, and there was occasions when a single german tank defeated 6-7 Soviet one, mainly due to superior training. But the Soviets and USA managed to make so many equipment to negate any issue with the low training.
And now? Regardless of any noise made by policans and propagandists, the USA / EU hasn't got industrial capacity to make equipment. Even inferior ones, just make them in number.
All happened was to raid the half century old stock , and when they run out nothing left. Only propaganda.
Now they started to talk about fighter jets, that is a good indicator of the exhasut of the Ukrainan air defense. There is no usable SAM system in the NATO inventory, so they forced to use jets as air defence. Goo luck with that.
During 2nd WW nothing prevented the USA to send countless tanks and other weapons without any training to frontline tops, they practically drowned the soldiers in equipment.
Same for the CCCP.
The Germans had superior training, and there was occasions when a single german tank defeated 6-7 Soviet one, mainly due to superior training. But the Soviets and USA managed to make so many equipment to negate any issue with the low training.
And now? Regardless of any noise made by policans and propagandists, the USA / EU hasn't got industrial capacity to make equipment. Even inferior ones, just make them in number.
All happened was to raid the half century old stock , and when they run out nothing left. Only propaganda.
Now they started to talk about fighter jets, that is a good indicator of the exhasut of the Ukrainan air defense. There is no usable SAM system in the NATO inventory, so they forced to use jets as air defence. Goo luck with that.
You aren't wrong. If the West had enough MIC capacity they could drown the Russians
That's why we now have all this talk about training. Because every unit is valuable and takes time to be made, the West can't just send them by the hundreds/thousands without a favourable kill to death ratio against the Russian army
Once again this war is proven to be more beneficial to the US than anticipated.
A consolidation of power in NATO. Bringing Germany more in line. A chance to sell more weapons as Europe donates their old stock. Expanding US LNG exports.
US will come out stronger in Europe, but their sanctions on Russia will be a doubledge sword that will hurts US Dollar.
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Ukranian tankers claim they can transition from T-72's to Challenger or Leopards in 2 weeks
If they do the switch, doesn't it make more sense to use the T55 crews as these have trained loaders as opposed to the T64 crews?
2 weeks is not that unreasonable depending on how they're using the tanks. Iraqi/turkey style drive forward and hope for the best shouldn't take long to master regardless of what tank you drive.
Ukrainian ammo depot exploded at the Kherson region according to the Kherson Herald blog at Telegram (Herson Vestnik):
! According to information received from a source in Kherson, an artillery strike was launched tonight in the area of N.P. Chernobaevka in the ammunition depot of one of the Armed Forces brigades on the right bank of the Dnieper River, which resulted in the detonation of ammunition!!
As a result of a fire damage, all ammunition available on the territory of the warehouse was destroyed, such as rockets for BM-21, 152 mm., Gaubits 2A65 Msta-B, shells for firing from 122 mm D-30 howitzer, mines for a mortar of 120 mm., As well as shells for a M777 gauge with a caliber of 155 mm., And the unit of the Armed Forces suffered losses: 8 military aircraft were liquidated, 12 were injured and 2 units. technicians disabled.
Interesting comment on this Intel Slavia blog entry:
Video of Russian paratroopers taking three Ukrainian strongholds in the forests of Kreminna.
In all cases the battle followed the same scenario: overwhelming fire from BTR-82A and AGS-17, followed by the work of 120mm 2S9 Nona-S guns and finally an assault on Ukrainian trenches, during which the remaining resisting troops either surrender or flee their positions, leaving their wounded and dead behind.
A funny moment occurred during the storming of the first stronghold, when the captured Vsushniks wandered in circles through the woods and gathered more prisoners to join their friendly company.
The total losses of the enemy amounted to about 30 men killed and captured.
! According to information received from a source in Kherson, an artillery strike was launched tonight in the area of N.P. Chernobaevka in the ammunition depot of one of the Armed Forces brigades on the right bank of the Dnieper River, which resulted in the detonation of ammunition!!
As a result of a fire damage, all ammunition available on the territory of the warehouse was destroyed, such as rockets for BM-21, 152 mm., Gaubits 2A65 Msta-B, shells for firing from 122 mm D-30 howitzer, mines for a mortar of 120 mm., As well as shells for a M777 gauge with a caliber of 155 mm., And the unit of the Armed Forces suffered losses: 8 military aircraft were liquidated, 12 were injured and 2 units. technicians disabled.
Interesting comment on this Intel Slavia blog entry:
Video of Russian paratroopers taking three Ukrainian strongholds in the forests of Kreminna.
In all cases the battle followed the same scenario: overwhelming fire from BTR-82A and AGS-17, followed by the work of 120mm 2S9 Nona-S guns and finally an assault on Ukrainian trenches, during which the remaining resisting troops either surrender or flee their positions, leaving their wounded and dead behind.
A funny moment occurred during the storming of the first stronghold, when the captured Vsushniks wandered in circles through the woods and gathered more prisoners to join their friendly company.
The total losses of the enemy amounted to about 30 men killed and captured.
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According to M. Koffman, Russia was able to keep their troops in the Kherson west bank supplied, despite of HIMARS. He personally visited that battlefront and reported that the intensity of Russet fires showed no sign of ammunition constraints. His conclusion was that the impact of HIMARS was overstated.
In the end, Russia was able to conduct an orderly retreat with most of its gear intact.
Ukraine achieved its only 2 major advances (Kiev and Sumy) before they even had HIMARS let alone HARM or M777s.
Since introduction of HIMARS, lines have remained the same besides Ukraine breaking through undermanned areas in Izyum and Russia winning the massive battle over Soledar and Bakhmut.
HIMARS can replace Ukraine's own MLRS and Tochkha-U, which are by now severely depleted. But their inclusion never changed the basic situation on the ground, and that is a literal fact when looking at territory gains and estimates of casualties. Whoever believes differently has swallowed the words of American mouthpieces without thinking critically.
Whenever Russians are undermanned, they must use terrain or their positions are indefensible. Meanwhile, Ukraine is unable to penetrate Russian dedicated defenses.
What did you expect them to say? The Ukrainians will of course say these sort of things since they don't have much of any choice now do they? If they try to say the truth then it'll only offend western backers who are trying their best to supply them with weapons and money that their public are beginning to question. Anymore bad publicity will just deflate any sense of solidarity and cohesion the west lead by the US is trying its earnest to maintain.