The War in the Ukraine

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sheogorath

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Bellum_Romanum said:
What did you expect them to say? The Ukrainians will of course say these sort of things since they don't have much of any choice now do they? If they try to say the truth then it'll only offend western backers who are trying their best to supply them with weapons and money that their public are beginning to question. Anymore bad publicity will just deflate any sense of solidarity and cohesion the west lead by the US is trying its earnest to maintain.
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To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if this isn't just a speech for the cameras and they actually believe what they are saying going "a tank is a tank, just point and fire".

Which means at the first sign of a failure they wouldn't encounter in a T tank, they'd be likely to just bail out and leave the thing behind.
 
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B777LR

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sheogorath said:
Ukranian tankers claim they can transition from T-72's to Challenger or Leopards in 2 weeks

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1617410046283100161
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Meh. Yesterday Danish TV interviewed a Ukrainian T-72 crew in their tank, and they were absolutely convinced that Leopard 2s are unstoppable. Yes, that's what they said. Clearly they haven't seen the photos of unstoppable Turkish Leopards in Syria...
 
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Atomicfrog

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B777LR said:
Meh. Yesterday Danish TV interviewed a Ukrainian T-72 crew in their tank, and they were absolutely convinced that Leopard 2s are unstoppable. Yes, that's what they said. Clearly they haven't seen the photos of unstoppable Turkish Leopards in Syria...
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Whatever good, unstoppable or pile of crap they are, they would still need multiple hundred at the same time to do a real difference.
 
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Biscuits said:
Ukraine achieved its only 2 major advances (Kiev and Sumy) before they even had HIMARS let alone HARM or M777s.

Since introduction of HIMARS, lines have remained the same besides Ukraine breaking through undermanned areas in Izyum and Russia winning the massive battle over Soledar and Bakhmut.
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Did you purposely forget Kherson or did it just slip your mind?
 
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Biscuits

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SolarWarden said:
Did you purposely forget Kherson or did it just slip your mind?
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There was an actual battle for Izyum, Russians just retreated without losing even marginal amounts of stuff to the geographic defense lines that made sense in Kherson.

But sure, we can count it if you want. My exact point still holds, Russians can't hold on poor terrain without numbers advantage and Ukraine has never exhibited the ability to break through actual defended ground.
 
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Bellum_Romanum said:
What did you expect them to say? The Ukrainians will of course say these sort of things since they don't have much of any choice now do they? If they try to say the truth then it'll only offend western backers who are trying their best to supply them with weapons and money that their public are beginning to question. Anymore bad publicity will just deflate any sense of solidarity and cohesion the west lead by the US is trying its earnest to maintain.
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If you don't need to learn how to fix/maintain the tank whatsoever, I think two weeks is certainly possible. If they are already familiar with Tanks, then you only need to develop a course around the key differences and common stoppages/malfunctions. Anything more complex is a bailout/abandon. It's not like anyone near the frontline can fix it.

You only need a high school education to enter the military (and as US forces are the bulk of NATO, only a US high school education), so it's not rocket science.
 
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Anlsvrthng

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supersnoop said:
If you don't need to learn how to fix/maintain the tank whatsoever, I think two weeks is certainly possible. If they are already familiar with Tanks, then you only need to develop a course around the key differences and common stoppages/malfunctions. Anything more complex is a bailout/abandon. It's not like anyone near the frontline can fix it.

You only need a high school education to enter the military (and as US forces are the bulk of NATO, only a US high school education), so it's not rocket science.
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I'm afraid of the NATO doctrine count with elite, very highly tained tankers, and the Soviet isn't


Means without proper training they won't fare better than the legacy soviet tanks.
 
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