The War in the Ukraine

Phead128

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I know many in here will laugh and say this won't give Ukraine an advantage but they are wrong just like they were wrong about HiMARS would not make a difference. It's their way of coping because the naysayers will completely ignore purposely the capability that it will give Ukraine that Russia is lacking also... Night fighting. Superior night optics in Leos, Bradleys, Marders and CV-90s is a game changer in the way Ukraine will fight the ground war.

HIMAR has a disproportionate impact despite their small quantity, since a single battery can fire many precise salvos of missiles against critical supply lines, ammo depots, command facilities, and other military targets. It likely contributed significantly to the strategic withdrawal from Kherson since long-term reinforcement across the Dnieper was complicated by HIMAR's long-range and reach.

However, things are different with MBTs. MBTs need to be fielded in large quantities to make a genuine real impact. Ukraine apparently loses
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, so a few dozen Leopards is hardly a gamechanger in the battlefield the same way HIMARs in a game-changer. Even
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saying Western MBTs are more politically symbolic, rather than a game-changer on the battlefield. It may take over 2-years to field 160 Western MBTs according to that article...quite a long time to field a competent crew in large numbers.

There is a significant number of Bradleys', Marder's, and other IFVs, but I'm not super-confident that thin-armored APCs/IFVs would be much help given the proliferation of RPGs, infantry-operated ATGMs, etc... At best, this can help maintain the current frozen frontlines. You may need significant airpower to help breakthrough Russian frontlines, or else APCs/IFVs would be vulnerable to helicopters and other Russian airpower assets.
 

Abominable

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Now I came across this tweet and was shocked. Population pyramid of Ukraine for 2023 according to the UN forecast. Where are the 20-30 year olds!? How does Ukraine plan to win this war!





Nearly 37 million, presumably this figure includes the population in the four territories under Russian control.

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Holy sh!t...I've never seen a population pyramid that bad. Russia is wiping Ukraine off the face of the earth.
 

Phead128

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Holy sh!t...I've never seen a population pyramid that bad. Russia is wiping Ukraine off the face of the earth.
To be fair, Russian has that weird concave in the 20-30 group as well, though not as extreme as Ukraine. I think it might be related the post-Soviet collapse... since the timing is circa 1990s-era.

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Staedler

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To be fair, Russian has that weird concave in the 20-30 group as well, though not as extreme as Ukraine. I think it might be related the post-Soviet collapse... since the timing is circa 1990s-era.

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Yea, it's almost certainly due to the post-Soviet collapse. We've known about the demographic squeeze in those years for decades now.

There has of course been the additional effect from the ongoing war.
 

pmc

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After the strategic retreat from Kherson, I don't see Russia going after Odessa to render Ukraine land-locked country.
they only retreated from urban within firing distance.


To be fair, Russian has that weird concave in the 20-30 group as well, though not as extreme as Ukraine. I think it might be related the post-Soviet collapse... since the timing is circa 1990s-era.

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Russia has extremely favorable demographics. It will have no problem increasing the size of armed forces along with all the large scale infrastructure and industrialization that need manpower. I am not sure they want to show it. Middleastern airline traffic size can give some idea. when this agreement was signed. They said Population greater than 272m of the region. how much greater no one knows.
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Tam

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We are seeing more videos with T-90Ms.


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TRIBUN-TIMUR.COM - The Russian military continues to repel attacks by the Ukrainian Armed Forces on Novoselovskoye. Like the recording that was circulating on Telegram on Sunday, January 22, 2023. In the uploaded narrative, it is stated that the Ukrainian Armed Forces are continuing their efforts to enter the village. "A small group of Ukrainians entered the village, but the tanks that came were working on the remains of the building where they were hiding," explains the caption of the post. In Tampao, two Russian tanks fired on residential areas and residents' houses. The explosion and puff of smoke was caught on a drone camera. "Not only everyone was able to escape," the source concluded. The recording also filled various comments from netizens.

T-72B3 at the office.


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TRIBUN-TIMUR.COM - Social media was enlivened with footage of the brutal action of the Russian T-72B3 Tank on January 16, 2023. However, the footage was only widely circulated on Sunday, January 22, 2023. In the upload statement, it was stated that this was a working recording of the crew of the T-72B3 tank in the NWO zone. Tanks fired on settlements suspected of being occupied by Ukrainian troops. Settlements that were in ruins seemed to be continuously being fired upon. After firing at one point, the tanks immediately moved and targeted other Ukrainian Troop positions. Unfortunately, the number of victims who fell. The T-72B3 is a recent Russian upgrade of the aging T-72B tank. The updated and upgraded T-72B3 tank features a new engine, new gun sights, new fire control system and has several other improvements.


Ukrainian APC/IFV gets hit by ATGM courtesy of the DPR.


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TRIBUN-TIMUR.COM - Scouts from the Militants of the Donetsk People's Republic or DPR destroyed the armored vehicle of the Ukrainian Troops. The recording was widely circulated on Telegram on Saturday, January 21, 203 yesterday. While conducting reconnaissance at night, spotters from the DPR's 3rd Guards Separate Special Purpose Battalion took aim at enemy armored vehicles from a distance. The Ukrainian vehicle was destroyed by the crew of an anti-tank missile system.(*)

T-90M at the office.


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The footage shows a T-90M Proryv military vehicle from the Russian 3rd Motor Rifle Division in operation. A nightmare for Ukrainian infantry, everyday war life that keeps Ukrainian soldiers in a state of panic. In the Zhuravka area and on the Svatovo-Kremennaya front, the Russian T-90M launched its barrage of attacks on the target. Precisely at the hiding hole of Zelensky's troops, the result as seen in the footage of the explosion occurred many times. Like it or not, the Ukrainian army had to bear big losses for the umpteenth time.
 

Tam

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Just watched a movie about PMC Wagner. How realistic is this movie!! Are they really this much equipped?

History Legends has a review on it. It doesn't show Ukraine by name, only people with yellow armbands as the enemy while the Wagner guys have white bands. It doesn't dehumanize the Ukrainians but shows this conflict as one about brother vs.brother. Prigozhin has made comments about the bravery of the Ukrainians despite Russian propaganda, and this film follows his attitude. There are many good comments worth reading after the video.


On an unrelated matter, Ukrainian artillery and ammunition goes up in a bang after being attacked.


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TRIBUN-TIMUR.COM - Seconds footage of Russian artillery detonating Ukrainian combat equipment was circulating on Telegram on Sunday, January 22, 2023. The Ukrainian combat equipment that was destroyed was the Howitzer, Kamaz and Ammunition. The caption says Russian Artillery caused damage and fire to the crew of the D-20 152mm howitzer and destroyed KAMAZ Trucks and ammunition in Zaporozhye aah. The fire and the massive explosion were caught on camera by a Russian surveillance drone. Kiev is known to be struggling to move its reserves to the front near Zaporozhye to attack Russian forces after the latter disrupted Ukraine's supply lines, said Vladimir Rogov, a member of the main council of the Zaporozhye regional administration. The official further revealed that the Russian military has taken full control of the Kamianske-Orikhiv highway, which serves as a major conduit in the transfer of Ukrainian troops, weapons and ammunition.
 
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