Well, according to Surovikin and Shoigu, , which is why they strategic withdrew... So who to trust, Mr. Koffman or Mr. Shoigu and Mr. Surovikin? Mr. Koffman hasn't exactly had the most accurate predictions on Kherson withdrawal either.
The War in the Ukraine
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There is difference between resupplying and cost of resupplying. I dont think Russia had airdefense, drones, survellence aircraft to defend it. Russia is now advertising Orlon-30 drone for export that can provide guidance to hit moving targets. so we can assume production is now catching up. now more airdefense on buildings like in Moscow.
Kherson ghost town due to fire control.
Kherson ghost town due to fire control.
If by elite you mean the ones that ran straight into Jihadi crossfires repeatedly with their Leopard 2s and M1s in Syria I guess they're elites when it comes to bravery at least.
Nato doctrine doesn't really call for any exceptional training at all. What they do call for is having decent logistics and at least air parity, preferably some level of superiority.
If those two factors don't exist, the army will either have to invent new doctrines on the spot, or get slaughtered if they refuse to adapt, like what happened to the NATO trained in Afghanistan and Syria.
Um.... Lol! I'm sorry for laughing but I don't know if you're being serious and believe what you just said or you're just messing around.
Ukraine Seizes Dozens of Russian Tanks Left by Fleeing Forces
- Haul includes modern tanks, at least some of them operational
- Boosts Ukraine heading into winter but Kyiv says more needed
Ukraine’s military has grabbed dozens of tanks left by fleeing Russian troops in the east, according to people familiar with the matter, adding crucial weaponry to its arsenal nearly seven months into a war where both sides have lost manpower and machinery.
One of the people put the number of tanks captured around 200, without specifying how many of those were operational or able to be repaired. At least some were destroyed. Another person said the cache included later design models such as T-80 tanks.
The haul -- a third person described it as a significant outcome -- is likely to ease some pressure on Ukraine’s forces as they head into a potentially difficult winter, when the terrain is set to become boggier and harder to navigate without tanks. At the same time, the government in Kyiv is set to keep up its calls for more weapons from the US and its European allies, and the Russian tanks will need to be supplemented with Western-produced equipment.
It goes on and on with sources that is backed up. YT and twitter has video of some of the haul Ukraine captured at Izium but if it makes you cope better with the reality on the ground then who am I to hit you with facts.
No it doesn't.
Is that right? So Lyman and Izium were nothing burgers and all those tanks and IFV's that were captured were just empty shells there to make it look like it was defending, right?
Ukraine has launched two major offensives in this war the Lyman/Izium front and Kherson and both were successful. I just laugh how you cope with Russian defeat by saying "Ukraine has never exhibited the ability to break through actual defended ground" when everyone knows that is BS. It took Ukraine a month to take Kherson when they went on the offensive. When Russian forces knew they weren't going to be able to keep Kherson they retreated so how can you make such a false claim that Ukraine can't break through heavily defended lines?
Lmao quoting US govt mouthpieces.Um.... Lol! I'm sorry for laughing but I don't know if you're being serious and believe what you just said or you're just messing around.
Ukraine Seizes Dozens of Russian Tanks Left by Fleeing Forces
- Haul includes modern tanks, at least some of them operational
- Boosts Ukraine heading into winter but Kyiv says more needed
Ukraine’s military has grabbed dozens of tanks left by fleeing Russian troops in the east, according to people familiar with the matter, adding crucial weaponry to its arsenal nearly seven months into a war where both sides have lost manpower and machinery.
One of the people put the number of tanks captured around 200, without specifying how many of those were operational or able to be repaired. At least some were destroyed. Another person said the cache included later design models such as T-80 tanks.
The haul -- a third person described it as a significant outcome -- is likely to ease some pressure on Ukraine’s forces as they head into a potentially difficult winter, when the terrain is set to become boggier and harder to navigate without tanks. At the same time, the government in Kyiv is set to keep up its calls for more weapons from the US and its European allies, and the Russian tanks will need to be supplemented with Western-produced equipment.
It goes on and on with sources that is backed up. YT and twitter has video of some of the haul Ukraine captured at Izium but if it makes you cope better with the reality on the ground then who am I to hit you with facts.
No it doesn't.
Is that right? So Lyman and Izium were nothing burgers and all those tanks and IFV's that were captured were just empty shells there to make it look like it was defending, right?
Ukraine has launched two major offensives in this war the Lyman/Izium front and Kherson and both were successful. I just laugh how you cope with Russian defeat by saying "Ukraine has never exhibited the ability to break through actual defended ground" when everyone knows that is BS. It took Ukraine a month to take Kherson when they went on the offensive. When Russian forces knew they weren't going to be able to keep Kherson they retreated so how can you make such a false claim that Ukraine can't break through heavily defended lines?
Your regime is that one that said Ukraine lost 13000 soldiers so far, an absolutely laughable claim. Now you expect me to believe when they say they captured 200 tanks?
You can have whatever reservations you want about Russian MOD - I rarely directly quote them either unless there is picture evidence. But no one can debate that the American government and by extension their colony Ukraine have been the least trustworthy sources in the entire war by a massive margin.
The lies are endless, lies about casualties, pictures of tank depots in Crimea or even deep inside Russia repurposed as "captured vehicles", fake footage of missiles hitting a bridge when it was a suicide bomber in reality, reporting the dead as MIA and so on, there's no low which Americans haven't sunk to.
Hey, at least we are down from "the Russians refilled Ukranian inventories to pre-war levels"
Funny @SolarWarden doesn't mention the other half of the story, though, which was already posted once but seems he thinks this is Twitter and people have no memory.
Maybe the Russians left it behind for a reason. Shocking proposition, I know.
Ukraine is not fighting with NATO Doctrine anyway, so just drop in Western tanks 1 for 1 and hope for the best.
NATO doctrine requires huge air power, strategic missile strikes, unlimited surveillance assets like JSTARS, E3, Global Hawk, and Satellites
Ukraine will have some limited access to the ISR data at best and none of the other stuff.
Um.... Lol! I'm sorry for laughing but I don't know if you're being serious and believe what you just said or you're just messing around.
It goes on and on with sources that is backed up. YT and twitter has video of some of the haul Ukraine captured at Izium but if it makes you cope better with the reality on the ground then who am I to hit you with facts.
Is that right? So Lyman and Izium were nothing burgers and all those tanks and IFV's that were captured were just empty shells there to make it look like it was defending, right?
Ukraine has launched two major offensives in this war the Lyman/Izium front and Kherson and both were successful. I just laugh how you cope with Russian defeat by saying "Ukraine has never exhibited the ability to break through actual defended ground" when everyone knows that is BS. It took Ukraine a month to take Kherson when they went on the offensive. When Russian forces knew they weren't going to be able to keep Kherson they retreated so how can you make such a false claim that Ukraine can't break through heavily defended lines?
Your facts need to be more up to date
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Most of the abandoned equipment was in fact, not fully functioning.
Talking about Izyum:
Before you call me a Russian troll, please show me one post where I cheer on this invasion.
A new variant of the T-80BVM was spotted, seems to have reinforced mudguards as well as the anti HEAT netting under the turret
T-72B3 seems to have survived a couple of ATGM hits in the turret
T-72B3 seems to have survived a couple of ATGM hits in the turret
There's a lot of drama in Kiev it seems:
And then shortly after:
I'm quite sure the Black Sea Fleet will get purged in some way after the war for sinking of Moskva, but doing a purge in the middle of war doesn't strike me as a good idea.
And then shortly after:
I'm quite sure the Black Sea Fleet will get purged in some way after the war for sinking of Moskva, but doing a purge in the middle of war doesn't strike me as a good idea.
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