The War in the Ukraine

plawolf

Lieutenant General
Just to be clear the ice arena at Druzkhovka is being used as a barracks. I just watched a 30 second video of the damage within the ice arena and there are plenty of wet, burned and destroyed bed mattresses all over the place. However due to the website policy I cannot download or screenshot the images of the page. That have to wait until it shows up in YouTube. Saying this because some bloggers are still speculating what was in the ice arena.

I have seen that clip and also a longer one during the firefighting phase. Doesn’t look like anyone was home to be honest. The ‘mattresses’ also looks suspiciously like roof insulation panels, and only seem to be present where the roof has collapsed

The biggest red flag for me for those images and videos is the total lack of any personal effects. Even if they dragged away the bodies in record time and thoroughness, it’s hard to imagine they also being able to collect every bit of discarded kit, weapons, clothing, body armour and other sundry items that you would expect to be littered all over the place if the arena was indeed used as a barracks and hundreds of troopers sleeping there got an Kalibre midnight call.

The timing of the strike is also suspicious. If the Russians had credible intel on such major enemy troop concentrations, I don’t think they would sit on it until the enemy had ‘crossed a line’ first before hitting the target. It’s not like anyone has shown any squeamishness about dropping bombs on sleeping soldiers before for all the drone footage both sides have been pumping out.

What’s more likely, that the Ukrainians just so happens to also stuff way too many soldiers in one building in harms way just after punishing the Russians for the same slopping mistake; or the Russians hit a ‘suspected’ enemy barracks and claimed an uncannily similar number of enemy dead right after getting caught with their pants down loosing a whole company to enemy MLRS strikes that should not have happened?
 

Soldier30

Senior Member
Registered Member
Russian snipers began to use in Ukraine, the longest-range rifle in the world SVLK-14S "Dusk". The Russian Lobaev rifle with a caliber of 10.3 × 77 mm allows accurate shooting at a distance of up to 4210 meters, the shot was fired to set a world record. The weapon weighs almost 10 kg and has a length of 1570 mm. The price of the rifle in the basic configuration is $ 27,000.


Footage of a combat sortie of Russian Mi-28 helicopters in Ukraine. During the sortie, helicopters hit a stronghold of the Ukrainian army and an armored car.


The calculation of the Russian S-300V air defense system spoke about their combat vehicle and the targets that they managed to shoot down in Ukraine. The video shows an early version of the S-300V air defense system, the 9A82 launcher, which was put into service as part of the S-300V complex in 1988. The number of these installations released is more than 1200.


The United States will transfer one Patriot MIM-104B air defense system to Ukraine. There are currently two modifications of the Patriot in service with the American Armed Forces: the PAC-2 and the updated PAC-3, most likely the PAC-2 version will be transferred. Training for the calculation of the Patriot air defense system takes 6 months, but it will be accelerated in Germany in a few weeks. The air defense system was put into service in 1982, in terms of the range of destruction, and the version of the PAC-2 missiles has 160 kilometers, the air defense system can be attributed to the medium-range complex. It is assumed that the air defense system will protect against UAVs and cruise missiles, most likely it will be installed deep in the rear. The experience of using the air defense system showed that the complex had problems with the defeat of the UAV, which manifested itself in Saudi Arabia, but this is a topic for a separate discussion, it is worth noting that the air defense system is designed primarily to destroy aircraft and missiles. The air defense system has a minimum target interception altitude of 60 meters, the minimum flight altitude of Caliber missiles is 20 meters, and the flight altitude of Geran-2 drones is also 60 meters. The maximum radar target identification range is 35-50 km at a target flight altitude of 50-100 meters, high-altitude targets are detected at a distance of up to 180 kilometers. The strength of the air defense system is the control system that ensures the use of the Patriot air defense system together with airborne early warning and guidance aircraft of the AWACS type. In such a situation, the Patriot can be in complete radar silence until the very last moment - until it receives target designation from AWACS. The anti-aircraft battery of the Patriot air defense system consists of 4 or 8 launchers, depending on the modification, with 4 missiles on each. On tests of the Patriot PAC-3 air defense system in 1997. The probability of hitting an aircraft with one missile was 80-90%, tactical missiles - from 60 to 80%, the PAC-2 version has a probability of 30-40%. The maximum target interception range is up to 160 km, with a maximum altitude of up to 24 km. The minimum interception range is 3 km, the minimum interception height is 60 meters. The cost of one battery of the Patriot air defense system is from 500 million to a billion dollars, the cost of missiles is from 2 to 4 million dollars per 1 piece. SAM is in service with many countries.

 

Tam

Brigadier
Registered Member
I have seen that clip and also a longer one during the firefighting phase. Doesn’t look like anyone was home to be honest. The ‘mattresses’ also looks suspiciously like roof insulation panels, and only seem to be present where the roof has collapsed

The biggest red flag for me for those images and videos is the total lack of any personal effects. Even if they dragged away the bodies in record time and thoroughness, it’s hard to imagine they also being able to collect every bit of discarded kit, weapons, clothing, body armour and other sundry items that you would expect to be littered all over the place if the arena was indeed used as a barracks and hundreds of troopers sleeping there got an Kalibre midnight call.

The timing of the strike is also suspicious. If the Russians had credible intel on such major enemy troop concentrations, I don’t think they would sit on it until the enemy had ‘crossed a line’ first before hitting the target. It’s not like anyone has shown any squeamishness about dropping bombs on sleeping soldiers before for all the drone footage both sides have been pumping out.

What’s more likely, that the Ukrainians just so happens to also stuff way too many soldiers in one building in harms way just after punishing the Russians for the same slopping mistake; or the Russians hit a ‘suspected’ enemy barracks and claimed an uncannily similar number of enemy dead right after getting caught with their pants down loosing a whole company to enemy MLRS strikes that should not have happened?


After examining the video again I have to disagree with you. While there are roof insulation on the floor, there are also blankets and mattresses. I know how roof insulation looks like. I worked with them before. I have also seen how roof insulation looks like after a catastrophe and they certainly don't look like mattresses or for that matter like what's on the video, camping blankets. Roof insulation don't come quilted or stitched, camping blankets are. Whether or not there were actual people inside the arena that's another story. I never said there was or wasn't. That existence can't be told by the photos. I just think it's a barracks because of the camping blankets.
 
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Kich

Junior Member
Registered Member
My advice to everyone on this war.
Don't believe BOTH SIDES. They are known proven liars.

Believe what your eyes see which are territorial changes and videos.

Don't believe any official claims from both sides. They are either inflating or deflating their claims.

This has become a stalemate and a war of attrition. Whoever inflicts more damage now will be able to make gains later once fighting picks up.
 

Tam

Brigadier
Registered Member
ATGMs bring used. Three kills here, two tanks, and a group of infantry being hit by a thermobaric weapon --- but a Kornet? I don't or didn't know if Kornets have a thermobaric version.



Ukrainian infantry group spotted on infrared, hit with artillery.



Ukrainian positions being bombarded at Soledar. It's not the video that's important, it's where it was taken, since its fixed on high ground, meaning it's not a drone. The high ground has the advantage.



Antique weapons captured by Wagner. It's not the title or the topic of the video but the scenes with the machine guns caught my interest.

 

gelgoog

Lieutenant General
Registered Member
ATGMs bring used. Three kills here, two tanks, and a group of infantry being hit by a thermobaric weapon --- but a Kornet? I don't or didn't know if Kornets have a thermobaric version.
Yes there is. There is even a thermobaric round for the RPG-7.

From horses mouth why Bakhmut assault is going so slowly.
He is being disingenuous. It makes no sense to do a large assault until the place is surrounded on all sides. Which certainly is not the case today.
 

pmc

Major
Registered Member
Russia learned nothing from Desert Storm unlike China. Russia should have spent at least 2 weeks of nothing but SEAD/DEAD and Air Interdiction almost all of it done at night with PGMs... I mean this is 2022/23 after all night vision and PGMs should have been the norm for the Russian air force since it was considered on paper top 4-5 air force in the world.
I can put alternative theory. They dont want those Ukrainian radars and missile sites destroyed too soon to keep human capital attach to it and observe the supply links to have a picture of the society supporting it. airdefense missile is not really battlefield weapon unless use as such in quntities. . In Syria just because Tu-214R pass an area does not mean they immediate bomb. it could be weeks, months later. but it does not rule out Russia will start real sead/dead at some point.They are not constrained by time and space. There is short term cost with such strategy but this sustainable.. No airforce has fired so many cruise missile simultaneously over extended period of time.
 
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