Why weren't those Mig-29s targeted?
The War in the Ukraine
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The life expectancy of the average Ukrainian pilot who flies is quite low. So I do not know why you think the Russian air force does not have control of the air. Serbia still had most of its MiG-29 aircraft when the War on Yugoslavia ended. So I guess the NATO airforces in that conflict were also a failure by your metric.
This is not Desert Storm. Ukraine's air defenses are more numerous, more modern, and more mobile than what Saddam had. And Saddam did not have foreign AWACS and ELINT aircraft together with reconnaissance satellites feeding him with target information. Most of Russia's attack helicopters like the Ka-52 and Mi-28N have night fighting capability. As do most of their aircraft like the Su-34 or Su-35. The problem Russia has is because of the SAM coverage, their fighter bombers cannot fly at high altitude, it does not matter which sensors you have, flying close to the ground to avoid the long reach SAMs means your visibility is limited. And using PGMs is kind of pointless if you don't know where the targets are. They will have to find alternative ways to spot targets, and network that with the fighter bombers, and then maybe using PGMs might be possible. Much like the artillery uses the Orlan-10 to spot targets, the air force might need to use the Okhotnik to spot targets, which they can then hit with glide bombs and cruise missiles carried by the Su-34. But that will not happen any time soon.
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Because they are not static like hangars and facilities... Fighters have probably been detected landing there and they launched a missiles barrage on known facilities hoping to nail them. Slovakia was supposed to send a wave of mig-29 to Ukraine lately I think. Don't know if some got totalled but with the amount fo scrap on the ground, these are at least damaged. Bad recon probably and no live coverage of the airport to have better precision.
Russia doesn't have air superiority over Ukraine they don't fly beyond the frontlines and while flying near the frontlines they fly very low altitude. No Russian air force aircraft has launched any sort of sortie beyond the frontlines due to Ukraine IADS/soviet era s300's.
Serbia scrambled for first couple of days of war and then called it quits hiding their migs for the rest of the war or not sending them up anymore. That's how they kept their fighters.
Iraq's Baghdad had the most dense and modern IADS second to Moscow thank to French IADS called KARI which was built by the French defense contractor and UK Thomson-CSF. After the first night where F-117's were used to hit Baghdad the next morning US wanted to find out how much damage Baghdad's IADS was done so they ran an experiment called Package Q Strike the most massive airstrike of the war where 80 aircraft were used (not counting support aircraft like tankers and awacs) to attack Baghdad and it failed miserably. They had to go back to slowly degrading Baghdad's IADS with SEAD/DEAD missions which is what Russia should have been doing over Kyiv and Odessa.
We've heard before the war how Russian air force aircraft carry EW and radiation missiles which will degrade Ukraine's IADS capabilities... that capability never manifested itself for the Russian air force.
But before the war this was a capability that the Russian air force supposedly had. Ukraine airbases aren't going anywhere so you don't need to know if it's there since it's always there and if Russia had air superiority over Ukraine that would mean they would have ISR superiority over Ukraine too... see how that works? You control their skies you get to fly any type of aircraft over enemy territory. HiMARS would not survive in Ukraine if Russia had air superiority.
Yeah since you mention Baghdad.. and thus Iraq.. I'm curious why you skip the "Great scud hunt" part ?
We also heard maybe for a long time and dated back to 1969 about new generation SAM's and tactics which made them very hard to kill. and S-300P family, Buk's and you probably also know Serbian 2k12 Kub. Were the products of such.
Ukrainian vehicles (stuck in the mud?) getting hit by DPR artillery.
Muddy conditions. A good look inside the MSTA-S M2.
Transcript
Shows the action of Russian troops who appear to be riding MTLB-based control vehicles advancing on Ukrainian troop positions. Upon arriving at the launch site of the attack, it didn't take long for the Russian army to immediately launch its attack. Msta-S M2 self-propelled guns were seen shelling Ukrainian militant positions multiple times. The Russian troops claimed their attacks hit the target, they believed the Ukrainian troops suffered heavy losses. Until this video circulated, various comments were written by netizens.
Muddy conditions. A good look inside the MSTA-S M2.
Transcript
Shows the action of Russian troops who appear to be riding MTLB-based control vehicles advancing on Ukrainian troop positions. Upon arriving at the launch site of the attack, it didn't take long for the Russian army to immediately launch its attack. Msta-S M2 self-propelled guns were seen shelling Ukrainian militant positions multiple times. The Russian troops claimed their attacks hit the target, they believed the Ukrainian troops suffered heavy losses. Until this video circulated, various comments were written by netizens.
According to weather reports, a cold front is aproaching Ukraine which could drop the temps into the -
The arrival of this cold front seems to coincide with Belarus's extension of the excercises
Ukranian unit refuses to fight, complains that they received little training and to look up on the internet how to use the equipment given
The arrival of this cold front seems to coincide with Belarus's extension of the excercises
Ukranian unit refuses to fight, complains that they received little training and to look up on the internet how to use the equipment given
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Going back to this. An actual explosion and what a biggie, experienced in French television.
Two locations were hit including an ice arena. Already there is a video showing the inside of the ice arena after it was hit so it was definitely severely damaged and now uninhabitable.
A quote from @rybar on this with positions given at the end ---
Yesterday, the RF Armed Forces simultaneously hit two positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Druzhkovka in the part of the Donetsk People's Republic occupied by Ukraine.
The strikes were carried out on the deployment point of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the building of the ice arena "Altair" , as well as a makeshift hangar near the railway station near the hotel "Men", used by foreign mercenaries and journalists. More than 200 members of various Ukrainian formations
were in Altair at the time of the strike . The exact information about what was in the building near the railway junction is unknown. According to some reports, there was a position area for the S -300 anti-aircraft missile system .
. According to others, HIMARS MLRS and ammunition for it were unloaded at the station, and there were also foreign mercenaries.
One thing is known for sure: the force of the explosion and the secondary detonation, recorded on the camera of French journalists, testify to the exact defeat of the object.
Many called the massive shelling of Druzhkovka and Kramatorsk a response to the attack on the vocational school in Makeevka , where more than 100 Russian servicemen were killed.
The defeat of military targets should not occur in response to something. Systematic fire impact, suppression of air defense position areas and high-precision strikes are just elements of warfare.
Ice arena coordinates : Hangar coordinates : Location where the French journalists filmed: * Support us:48.613865,37.526943
48.62570191635542, 37.547493884987055
48.626951001433675, 37.547948044683345
This from Intel Slava Z---
Ukrainian publics report that as a result of Russian strikes, there is no longer an ice arena in Druzhkovka (part of the DPR under the control of Kiev). This is not entirely true.
Druzhkovka no longer has a platform for unloading military trains.
According to our data, at the time of the impact, captured on this video, an echelon was unloading with two Himars MLRS launchers, four Czech Vampires and ammunition for them.
Also on this echelon, Ukrainian mobilized troops arrived, who were transferred to resupply the battered units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine near Artyomovsk. The rubble is still being cleared, but according to morning data, enemy losses have already exceeded 100 people.
And the ice arena in Druzhkovka was damaged as a result of the detonation of rockets to the MLRS of the Ukrainian army
Two locations were hit including an ice arena. Already there is a video showing the inside of the ice arena after it was hit so it was definitely severely damaged and now uninhabitable.
A quote from @rybar on this with positions given at the end ---
Yesterday, the RF Armed Forces simultaneously hit two positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Druzhkovka in the part of the Donetsk People's Republic occupied by Ukraine.
The strikes were carried out on the deployment point of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the building of the ice arena "Altair" , as well as a makeshift hangar near the railway station near the hotel "Men", used by foreign mercenaries and journalists. More than 200 members of various Ukrainian formations
were in Altair at the time of the strike . The exact information about what was in the building near the railway junction is unknown. According to some reports, there was a position area for the S -300 anti-aircraft missile system .
. According to others, HIMARS MLRS and ammunition for it were unloaded at the station, and there were also foreign mercenaries.
One thing is known for sure: the force of the explosion and the secondary detonation, recorded on the camera of French journalists, testify to the exact defeat of the object.
Many called the massive shelling of Druzhkovka and Kramatorsk a response to the attack on the vocational school in Makeevka , where more than 100 Russian servicemen were killed.
The defeat of military targets should not occur in response to something. Systematic fire impact, suppression of air defense position areas and high-precision strikes are just elements of warfare.
Ice arena coordinates : Hangar coordinates : Location where the French journalists filmed: * Support us:48.613865,37.526943
48.62570191635542, 37.547493884987055
48.626951001433675, 37.547948044683345
This from Intel Slava Z---
Ukrainian publics report that as a result of Russian strikes, there is no longer an ice arena in Druzhkovka (part of the DPR under the control of Kiev). This is not entirely true.
Druzhkovka no longer has a platform for unloading military trains.
According to our data, at the time of the impact, captured on this video, an echelon was unloading with two Himars MLRS launchers, four Czech Vampires and ammunition for them.
Also on this echelon, Ukrainian mobilized troops arrived, who were transferred to resupply the battered units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine near Artyomovsk. The rubble is still being cleared, but according to morning data, enemy losses have already exceeded 100 people.
And the ice arena in Druzhkovka was damaged as a result of the detonation of rockets to the MLRS of the Ukrainian army
Just to be clear the ice arena at Druzkhovka is being used as a barracks. I just watched a 30 second video of the damage within the ice arena and there are plenty of wet, burned and destroyed bed mattresses all over the place. However due to the website policy I cannot download or screenshot the images of the page. That have to wait until it shows up in YouTube. Saying this because some bloggers are still speculating what was in the ice arena.