The War in the Ukraine

Tam

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Medical and mortuary management in the Ukraine has reached critical levels. By @milchronicles.

again about the situation with the wounded and the dead - an analysis
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Ukrainian healthcare system due to power outages, the situation is catastrophic and for more prosaic reasons.

The situation with the wounded in the Armed Forces of Ukraine is critical. The most difficult situation is developing in the Soledar direction , where daily losses in the battles for Bakhmut range from 50 to 100 people on average.

And there is no place to store corpses either: they don’t deal with centralized burial, and it’s forbidden to give the bodies to relatives, so as not to excite Ukrainian society with the facts of losses.

Problems with the medical staff

Doctors and physicians buy a huge part of the materials and medicines at their own expense.

The salaries of the medical staff are small - even for those who work on the front lines at the risk of their lives. For example, a practicing surgeon's salary is about eight thousand hryvnia .

In Western Ukraine , no serious efforts are made in the treatment - doctors simply do not care about the wounded. And if the patient is from the central or eastern part of the country, then you should not count on a normal attitude.

For the Westerners, these are second-class people. The medical staff does everything through their fingers, and at the first opportunity writes out and sends them back to the front line.

Attitude towards the wounded

With luck, high-ranking officers can be evacuated by helicopters to hospitals in the Poltava and Dnepropetrovsk regions. With medium or light wounds, they try to take them as far as possible to the rear to hospitals in Western Ukraine or to Kiev .

Hospitals on the frontline in the Donetsk and Kharkiv regions are overcrowded , there is no proper provision.
Seriously wounded are operated on directly on the ground in the field. Priority is given to foreigners if there is a need to provide assistance on the spot.

Soldiers may not even count on such an attitude. If they are taken out, then only on ordinary transport, storing the bodies in KAMAZ and URAL trucks.

Because of this, at best, some remain disabled, and at worst, they die due to untimely assistance and unsanitary conditions. In most cases, gangrene occurs, followed by amputation of the limbs or an abscess.

A huge number of bodies

Morga can not cope. The staff is sorely lacking. There is not enough equipment, storage conditions are violated. They try to distribute the corpses not only to morgues, but also to municipal hospitals.

Most of the bodies have to be kept outside. The facts of devouring corpses by rats and the deterioration of the epidemiological situation in cities have been recorded.

No one is engaged in baiting rodents, since the administrations in the regions do not care about the lives of ordinary citizens. The most important thing is that the data on the number of dead is not leaked to the network. Relatives can take the bodies, but for a bribe of $ 300 (it came to threats of cremation in case of refusal to pay after voicing such scrupulous bodies).

Pathologists in hospitals and morgues do not perform autopsies. Conclusions based on the results of the “expertise” are written by eye, which allows you to indicate the necessary reasons and omit unnecessary data.

The situation in Ukraine due to the huge number of dead, improper storage of bodies and the lack of proper measures for their maintenance and burial is close to critical .

Growing unsanitary conditions and a deepening energy crisis are bringing the country closer to an epidemiological catastrophe that no one is trying to fight. In Kyiv, it was decided not only to keep silent about the losses, but also to hide in every possible way the true attitude towards the wounded and the dead.
 

Tam

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Russia uses a relatively unknown sensor system in its counter battery efforts. Its passive and it doesn't use radar, making the sensor undetectable on its own right.



The LPR uses an S-60 anti aircraft gun mounted on a truck to shell enemy positions directly. This gun goes back to the '50s.



Another M777 goes down to a Lancet.

 

broadsword

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Russia uses a relatively unknown sensor system in its counter battery efforts. Its passive and it doesn't use radar, making the sensor undetectable on its own right.



The LPR uses an S-60 anti aircraft gun mounted on a truck to shell enemy positions directly. This gun goes back to the '50s.



Another M777 goes down to a Lancet.


@Tam

Can you confirm that there is no Chinese equivalent to the Penicillin or the Norwegian-Swedish Arthur? Can't believe there is no dedicated radar thread in the Army section.
 

Tam

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@Tam

Can you confirm that there is no Chinese equivalent to the Penicillin or the Norwegian-Swedish Arthur? Can't believe there is no dedicated radar thread in the Army section.

Penicillin isn't like Arthur. Penicillin doesn't even use radio or radar at all.

PLA has their own counter battery radars the best known I believe should be the SLC-2. This radar isn't new, its the first ever AESA ever deployed within the PLA, ahead of any aircraft radars, search radars and even the 052C Type 346 radars. Over the years the SLC-2 has been updated with new versions and marks, so it remains in the cutting edge.

I do not think the PLA has anything like Penicillin at all, or anyone for that matter. Its my opinion and my knowledge is limited to what the PLA has for its sensors so I can be wrong. Pencillin actually uses acoustic, ground sensing and thermal sensors. In a way, it is a secret weapon.
 
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sheogorath

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Penicillin basically seems to be a ground based version of the SOKS found in their submarines. Still trying to figure out how you can use seismic sensors sensitive enough to locate enemy artillery but not affected by nearby troops movements.

Seems there was Shahed strike today on Kiev and several made it through

No idea what's going on here, other than it might be a SAM failure in Kiev

The Ukranians hit the Kalinin Hospital in Donetsk

Some pretty close combat, probably the Bakhmut area

Thermal view of a T-80BVM firing on Ukranian positions

Seems the Maxims will enter Air Defece duty
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No idea of the source for this graph, been trying to look for it without much success but seems Russia is importing a massive chunk of semiconductors from China, even increasing the amout of overall imports even before the sanctions
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baykalov

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Ukrainian officials are giving ultimatums to Western partners.

In this regard, I remembered the insolent behaviour of Ukrainian Foreign Minister Kuleba, who visited my home country Bulgaria some time ago and said he would not leave until Bulgaria agreed to provide arms to Ukraine. Kuleba had even prepared a list of what Soviet arms Bulgaria had and which should be given to Ukraine. It was about aircraft and air defense. The Bulgarian authorities refused to give these weapons, agreeing only for ammunition and shells.

 
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