The War in the Ukraine

baykalov

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An article in Newsweek, the authors draw an analogy to the US civil war and why Ukraine cannot win this war.

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During the early years of America's Civil War, President Abraham Lincoln sought a limited conflict against people he still regarded as fellow countrymen and with whom he sought reconciliation. Only after three years of stalemate did he turn to "Unconditional Surrender Grant," who in turn unleashed General William Tecumseh Sherman to "make Georgia howl" and help bring the war to its decisively violent conclusion.

Russian President Vladimir Putin waited only six months before switching from a special military operation to full scale war against Ukraine. Putin's initial assault was limited to barely 150,000 troops. He expected a quick victory followed by negotiations on his principal concerns: Russian control of Crimea, Ukrainian neutrality, and autonomy for the Russian population in the Donbas, but he was wrong. Putin had not counted on Ukraine's stiff resistance or the West's massive military and economic intervention. Faced with a new situation, Putin changed his strategy. Now he is about to unleash his own General Sherman and make Ukraine howl.

Putin gave General Sergey Surovikin overall command of Russia's war in the Ukraine. Surovikin comes from the technologically sophisticated Aerospace Forces, but has fought on the ground in Afghanistan, Chechnya, and Syria where he is credited with saving the Assad regime. Surovikin has stated publicly that there will be no half measures in Ukraine. Instead, he has begun to methodically destroy Ukraine's infrastructure with precision missile attacks.

Armies need railroads and while Sherman systematically tore up the tracks leading to Atlanta, Surovikin is destroying the electricity grid which powers Ukrainian railroads. This has left Ukrainian cities cold and dark, but Surovikin seems to agree with Sherman that "war is cruelty, and you cannot refine it."

Russia has now put its economy on a war footing, called up the reserves, and assembled hundreds of thousands of troops, including both conscripts and volunteers. This army is equipped with Russia's most sophisticated weapons, and contrary to much Western reporting, is far from demoralized. Ukraine on the other hand has exhausted its armories and is totally dependent on Western military support to continue the war. As Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Mark Milley noted last week, Ukraine has done about all it can.

Once Ukraine's rich black soil has firmly frozen, a massive Russian onslaught will commence. In fact, it has already begun at the important transportation hub of Bakhmut, which has become something of a Ukrainian Verdun. We expect Bakhmut to fall and predict that without much more Western support, Russia will recapture Kharkov, Kherson, and the remainder of the Donbas by next summer.

As the West did in Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq, we are stumbling into another optional, open-ended military commitment. Ukrainian troops are being trained in Europe. Western defense contractors are already maintaining Ukrainian military equipment and operating the HIMAR missile systems. Active-duty American military personnel are now in Ukraine to monitor weapons deliveries. As the Russian offensive gains momentum, we expect loud voices to call for sending ever-more advanced weapons and eventually NATO boots on the ground to defend Ukraine. These voices should be unambiguously rejected for many reasons. Here are a few.

Generations of Western leaders worked successfully to avoid direct military conflict with the Soviet Union. They recognized that, unlike Moscow, the West has very little strategic interest in who controls Donetsk. They were certainly unwilling to risk a nuclear war for Kharkiv. Ukraine is not a member of NATO, and the alliance has no obligation to defend it. Nor has Putin threatened any NATO member, but he has made clear that any foreign troops entering Ukraine will be treated as enemy combatants. Sending NATO troops into the Ukraine would thus turn our proxy war with Russia into a real war with the world's largest nuclear power.

Some have presented this conflict as a morality play, between good and evil, but the reality is more complex. Ukraine is no flourishing democracy. It is an impoverished, corrupt, one-party state with extensive censorship, where opposition newspapers and political parties have been shut down. Before the war, far right Ukrainian nationalist groups like the Azov Brigade were soundly condemned by the U.S. Congress. Kiev's determined campaign against the Russian language is analogous to the Canadian government trying to ban French in Quebec. Ukrainian shells have killed hundreds of civilians in the Donbas and there are emerging reports of Ukrainian war crimes. The truly moral course of action would be to end this war with negotiations rather than prolong the suffering the Ukrainian people in a conflict they are unlikely to win without risking American lives.

And then there is always the unexpected turn of events where tensions in one region compound and spill over into another. There is a growing possibility of Iran launching a preemptive military strike on Israel. The revolutionary regime in Iran is facing an increasingly serious popular revolt. A new government in Israel is determined to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons. The JCPOA is dying and with it any hope of sanctions relief for Iran's failing economy. A war would unite Iran's population in a patriotic struggle, damage Israel's ability to strike Iran, and pressure the West to negotiate an end to sanctions.

There is little doubt that the United States would be drawn into any conflict between Israel and Iran. What worries us is that Iran has been supplying Russia with weapons for the war in Ukraine and Moscow might feel obliged to come to the aid of its allies in Tehran. That sort of domino effect is precisely what started the First World War. Who expected that the assassination of an Austrian grand duke by a Serbian anarchist in Bosnia would lead to thousands of Americans dying in France? We do not need a replay.

Perhaps we are wrong. Perhaps there will not be a Russian winter offensive or perhaps the Ukrainian armed forces will be able to stop it. However, if we are correct and February finds General Surovikin at the gates of Kiev, we need to have soberly considered and honestly debated as a nation and an alliance the extent of our commitment to Ukraine and what risks we are willing accept to our own security.
 

sheogorath

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Ukranian unit on the move with two captured BMP-3 painted with nazi symbols, as you do



Turns out the western companies provided $25 millions worth of chips to Russia to manufacture Orlan 10 in 2022
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On top of an extra $777,000,000 in Texas Instrument, AMD, Intel, Infineon and Analog Devices chips just between April and November alone through companies in Hong Kong and Turkey.
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Michaelsinodef

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Ukranian unit on the move with two captured BMP-3 painted with nazi symbols, as you do



Turns out the western companies provided $25 millions worth of chips to Russia to manufacture Orlan 10 in 2022
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On top of an extra $777,000,000 in Texas Instrument, AMD, Intel, Infineon and Analog Devices chips just between April and November alone through companies in Hong Kong and Turkey.
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There will always exist some business people/entrepreneurs etc. that will go and do such deals (smuggling/sanctions evasion etc.), as long as there is money to be made.

Not to mention possible say Russian FSB agents or the likes, trying help out/smuggling stuff in to Russia.
 

Tam

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With a disabled Russian vehicle, Ukrainian soldier tried to capture a Tik Tok moment, then the mine exploded.


Not sure if this is a repeat, but if not its another P-18 radar being taken down by a Lancet. Note that Lancets this time aims for the vehicle with the back end electronics of the radar, and not the array itself, ensuring a permanent kill.


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TRIBUN-TIMUR.COM - This is the recording of the seconds when Ukraine's radar was hit by a Russian Lancet Drone. The recording was widely circulated on Telegram on Friday, December 17, 2022. In the description of the upload, it was stated that the P-18 "Terek" - a Ukrainian cellular two-coordinate all-round radar was destroyed and lost after being hit by a Russian lancet 3. The radar appeared to be working under a puff of smoke. Upon being detected by the Russian Army, a lancet attack was immediately launched. The impact of the destruction and the powerful explosion was also recorded on the drone's camera. P-18 or Terek is a 2D VHF radar developed and operated by the former Soviet Union. In addition, Russia is also rumored to be attacking energy facilities throughout Ukraine with dozens of missile attacks on Friday


There has been a series of videos documenting captured and killed Ukrainian troops. Here's two.


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A good day for the Russian soldiers, for the umpteenth time they managed to capture a lot of Ukrainian soldiers. It can be seen in the footage that the detained Ukrainian soldiers could only surrender and follow orders from the Russian soldiers. It was also seen that one of the 10 Ukrainian soldiers who were detained suffered an injury to his leg, and immediately received help. Until this video circulated, various comments were written by netizens.



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In the description of the upload, it was stated that the soldiers who were arrested were soldiers from the 108th brigade of the territorial defense of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. It is also known that there was a foreign mercenary among them, at least one. The footage shows the detainees being lowered from the car by Russian troops with their eyes closed and their hands tied. After that they were then collected in the basement with other prisoners. Until this video circulated, various comments were written by netizens.
 

Zichan

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The front lines would be expanded to 2,450KM (1,522 miles), which is the distance from Beijing to Hainan, or Moscow to London.

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The logistics necessary to maintain such as vast frontline is quite enormous. And a ridiculous proposal since it suggests Russia would eventually return to Kherson, but from the opposite direction.... what!?
The idea was that the Russians would push into Ukraine much further to the west, just a couple dozen kilometers from the Polish border. The motivation being the need to cut off Western supplies arriving via Poland.

A less ambitious plan, suggested by M. Koffman was for the Russians to seize the Rivno nuclear power plant not far from the Belarusian border.
 

baykalov

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The Washington Post with a long article in which it draws a very bleak outlook for the Ukrainian economy. Ukraine is in very difficult times, the crisis will get worse, and the West does not want to increase financial aid to the civilian sector. Unemployment, already close to 30 percent, is likely to climb further. Ukraine’s survival hinges as much on outside economic aid as on donated weapons, and Putin now seems intent on making such help so costly that Kyiv’s Western backers give up. The article concludes that Russia is hitting the energy sector to turn Ukraine into a 'suitcase without handles'.

The dire assessments reflect something Ukrainian officials and their Western supporters do not like to admit aloud: The Kremlin has made Ukraine’s economy a pivotal theater of the war — one in which Moscow is arguably having far more success than on the front lines.

As the humanitarian needs grow, Ukrainian economic officials have sounded out Western officials about the potential for an income support program to provide roughly $50 per person per month — at a cost of $12 billion over six months.

They found a cool reception, however, from Western officials who were already wary of appearing to support too much aid for Ukraine.

Russia is destroying Ukraine’s economy, raising costs for U.S. and allies

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Topazchen

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The Washington Post with a long article in which it draws a very bleak outlook for the Ukrainian economy. Ukraine is in very difficult times, the crisis will get worse, and the West does not want to increase financial aid to the civilian sector. Unemployment, already close to 30 percent, is likely to climb further. Ukraine’s survival hinges as much on outside economic aid as on donated weapons, and Putin now seems intent on making such help so costly that Kyiv’s Western backers give up. The article concludes that Russia is hitting the energy sector to turn Ukraine into a 'suitcase without handles'.

The dire assessments reflect something Ukrainian officials and their Western supporters do not like to admit aloud: The Kremlin has made Ukraine’s economy a pivotal theater of the war — one in which Moscow is arguably having far more success than on the front lines.

As the humanitarian needs grow, Ukrainian economic officials have sounded out Western officials about the potential for an income support program to provide roughly $50 per person per month — at a cost of $12 billion over six months.

They found a cool reception, however, from Western officials who were already wary of appearing to support too much aid for Ukraine.

Russia is destroying Ukraine’s economy, raising costs for U.S. and allies

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They will send them tens of billions of dollars' worth of weapons, but a little basic income support for Ukrainians is where they draw the line. That's communism to them
 

Tam

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Lack of electrical power seriously affecting the situation of the wounded in Ukraine. Blog entry by @milchronicles.

One of the main effects of the strikes on the energy sector of Ukraine was the widespread transition of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to backup power sources - diesel and gasoline generators.

According to the Military Chronicle, the most difficult situation with field energy is observed in the depths of battle formations in the area of such settlements as Bakhmut, Marinka, and a number of others.

In these areas, due to active hostilities, there is almost no centralized supply of electricity, which is why hospitals and field hospitals cannot provide first aid and operate on lightly wounded Ukrainian soldiers in a timely manner. Due to the fact that the Russian army is actively using heavy weapons, the number of serious injuries in the Armed Forces of Ukraine is growing exponentially.

The shortage of electricity is aggravated by the need to carry out routine repairs and maintenance of military equipment and vehicles. All relatively powerful diesel and gasoline generators (both domestic and semi-professional) are involved in the repair and restoration of equipment, and in some cases this process is organized near hospitals, where there are relatively powerful autonomous power supply systems - 800–1000 kVA.

Connecting hundreds of consumers to such networks causes breakdowns of medical equipment. In the cities of Konstantinovka, Druzhkovka and Toretsk, the failure of refrigerators for blood banks and key elements of district and municipal hospitals, from operating rooms to dressing rooms with freight elevators, has already been recorded, which greatly complicates the reception of the wounded from especially dangerous directions.

In the Yuzhno-Bakhmut direction, according to the Military Chronicle, since December, due to overcrowded morgues and non-working refrigeration equipment, the bodies of the dead soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine began to be taken to the territory of the psychiatric and tuberculosis buildings of the hospital in neighboring Toretsk to make room for new corpses.

Another problem of the Armed Forces of Ukraine after the start of attacks on power grids (both generation facilities and power lines) and the ensuing energy shortage was the delivery of fuel necessary for the operation of diesel and gasoline generators.

At the moment, the Armed Forces of Ukraine spend significant resources on maintaining the system for the delivery and distribution of fuel and lubricants both on the front line and in the rear.

At the same time, ordinary generators with a power of 3-5 kW are not suitable for repairing equipment on an industrial scale, and power plants with a power of 30 kW and above require at least 115-125 liters of fuel per hour. Starting from October 2022, the supply services of the Armed Forces of Ukraine cannot cope with the supply load of hundreds of tons of fuel per day.

Because of this, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have an additional problem: first, the fuel necessary for work must be obtained, then distributed among the units, and only then the fuel and lubricants will go to brigades, battalions and companies.

Direct losses due to energy shortages in the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine have already been recorded in the 24th, 57th, 30th and 71st Jaeger Brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Bakhmut area, the 68th Jaeger and 72nd Mechanized Brigades near Ugledar and Pavlovka, the 79th Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine near Marinka .

A similar situation is developing right now in the Starobelsky direction: from the units of territorial defense, the Armed Forces of Ukraine and detachments of mercenaries, they demand a momentary result, and caring for the wounded is a third-rate issue for Kyiv.
 

baykalov

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The Ukrainian army is already digging trenches in the very center of Bakhmut (Artyomovsk). AFU preparing for the defense of the city and city fights.




Following Kyiv's claims that:
- Russia is shelling itself at ZNPP
- Russia car-bombed Darya Dugina
- Russia bombed its own pipeline
- Russia bombed its own bridge
- Russia bombed Poland

... today the Kiev regime officially stated that Russia is shelling the Donbas.


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Ukrainian authorities have blamed the Russian army for shelling Donetsk - the regime in Kyiv claims that the Russian Federation is allegedly using fragments of Western weapons to "shift the blame" on Ukraine's armed forces.

Today, for the first time in many months, official Kyiv commented on the attacks on Donetsk, blaming them on the Russian army. According to Andrey Yusov, a spokesman for the General Intelligence Directorate, Ukrainian forces "do not shoot and do not target residential areas or civilian infrastructure."

"The Russian army, losing on the battlefield, uses dirty tools: terrorist attacks against infrastructure facilities in Donetsk, provocations and operations under the Ukrainian flag against the civilian population of the temporarily occupied territories," Yusov said.

Moreover, Yusov had the audacity to state that units of the Russian army allegedly received orders to collect fragments of Western-type ammunition, namely 155-caliber shells and other ammunition, which "may indicate the participation of Ukraine in the shelling of Donetsk" : “These munitions remnants are being delivered today purposefully to Donetsk. And then we see staged films and stories.”


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Ukrainian authorities have blamed the Russian army for shelling Donetsk - the regime in Kyiv claims that the Russian Federation is allegedly using fragments of Western weapons to "shift the blame" on Ukraine's armed forces.

Today, for the first time in many months, official Kyiv commented on the attacks on Donetsk, blaming them on the Russian army. According to Andrey Yusov, a spokesman for the General Intelligence Directorate, Ukrainian forces "do not shoot and do not target residential areas or civilian infrastructure."

"The Russian army, losing on the battlefield, uses dirty tools: terrorist attacks against infrastructure facilities in Donetsk, provocations and operations under the Ukrainian flag against the civilian population of the temporarily occupied territories," Yusov said.

Moreover, Yusov had the audacity to state that units of the Russian army allegedly received orders to collect fragments of Western-type ammunition, namely 155-caliber shells and other ammunition, which "may indicate the participation of Ukraine in the shelling of Donetsk" : “These munitions remnants are being delivered today purposefully to Donetsk. And then we see staged films and stories.”

They are sure into it eh.. and i guess there are those out there would believe it.
 
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