The War in the Ukraine

plawolf

plawolf

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sheogorath said:
But the article mentions they are getting kits, not full on assembled JDAMS. To what are they going to attach those kits to?

Also does the Ukranian MiGs have the capability to lob through a ballistic computer or they are just going to spray-n-pray like they do with their Mi-8's and Mi-24's?
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JDAM kits would be better than fully assembled JDAMs for Ukraine since they can, in theory, strap those to all sorts of legacy soviet bombs they might have lying around.

The Ukrainians have been using Mig29s to blind fire HARMs, so it’s not like the VKS is doing a waterproof job of keeping the skies clear, and if Ukraine high command cares about the lives it’s pilots about as much as they care about ground forces, they may well get a few JDAMs off somewhere.

The other, far more dangerous opportunity opened by from supplying Ukraine with JDAMs is that US F35s can lob them at Russian targets from
over Ukraine and bug out claiming the ghost of Kiev did the deed. Would the Russians be able to tell if that was going on? Even if they could tell, how much could, or would they do about it?
 
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jvodan

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Temstar said:
There's a lot of buzz in the media about a Russian Northern offensive from Belarus aimed at Kiev.

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reckons if Russia are going to open up a front from Belarus they will not head for Kiev but head south towards Zhytomyr and down to Transnistria.
This would cut the current Ukraine front lines off from resupply from Europe.

It would be a bold move though it could be disastrous for the Russians if it failed
 
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Zichan

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B777LR said:
Just using the basic line of sight formula, an E-3 at 30.000 ft will be able to detect an object at 300 ft at a distance of 433 km, assuming a perfectly flat terrain (spoiler, Kiev sits in a slight depression, so terrain would most likely mask the drones and missiles. From the shortest point in Poland, it is 470 km to Kiev. From the northern tip of Romania they could theoretically cover a few kilometers past Kiev, hardly enough to provide warning.

Unless the AWACS planes have some over-the-horizon radar that can detect drones and cruise missiles at very low level, the Ukrainians are doing all the detection themselves. Stuff launched from the Kerch sea and Crimea would be easily detected by NATO as they launch however.
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You forgot about the Global Hawk. They can cruise at an altitude of 20km, which allows for a theoretical radar range of slightly over 600km.
 
baykalov

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phrozenflame said:
Germany has spent almost 500bn USD to keep the energy sector working. Imagine the costs of all the butterfly effects and the costs in rest of the EU. This is what happens when you outsource your defense and foreign policy.

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It's even funnier that two days ago, Canada again sanctioned the notorious turbines of the blown-up Nord Stream.

Bloomberg: Trudeau to Bring Back Sanctions on Nord Stream Pipeline Parts

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plawolf

plawolf

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sheogorath said:
Soviet bomb designs are not conductive to kit fitting, though, unless they weld them to the things jihadi style

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Well, let’s see, they are already welding rocket pods to pickups; regularly terror bombed (via shells rather than suicide bombers, but given the choice, I’m sure ISIS would prefer artillery as well) civilians targets; welding tank hatches shut to ensure crews die fighting; did mass technical lemming rushes; head chopping (for cooking, which is much further than even ISIS has ever gone).

In terms of the Full-Jihadi checklist, the only thing they have not ticked off is bother Allah incessantly with Allah Akbar, but I guess Slava Ukraine is functionally the same. But welding JDAM kits to bombs is where you think they will draw the line and say not one step further?
 
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Tam

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B777LR said:
Just using the basic line of sight formula, an E-3 at 30.000 ft will be able to detect an object at 300 ft at a distance of 433 km, assuming a perfectly flat terrain (spoiler, Kiev sits in a slight depression, so terrain would most likely mask the drones and missiles. From the shortest point in Poland, it is 470 km to Kiev. From the northern tip of Romania they could theoretically cover a few kilometers past Kiev, hardly enough to provide warning.

Unless the AWACS planes have some over-the-horizon radar that can detect drones and cruise missiles at very low level, the Ukrainians are doing all the detection themselves. Stuff launched from the Kerch sea and Crimea would be easily detected by NATO as they launch however.
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To be fair, the Ukrainians can do detection by putting ground radars in hill tops and high ground. And that's why these radars are getting systematically targeted.

Height finding radar PRV-16ML targeted and destroyed by Lancet.

 
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