The Mali situation

delft

Brigadier
Blaming the US already? I can only assume that as United States Africa Command is Based in Stuttgard If your going too might as well just get it over with and say Washington and get it over with Despite the Fact that once again "Leading form behind" is the buzz of the Obama White house and this is a french- Euro- Nato Action.
The US is training the armed forces of several West African countries, and equipping them, to fight the thread of Muslim extremism. As a parallel policy they are arming and training mercenaries in the area. These they command directly and not by way of the local Ministry of Defense. They have reasons to believe that this indirect way of training a country's armed forces is less effective.
The result in Mali has been that the army conducted a coup against the sitting government and that in the succeeding confusion people in the North of the country, who have felt themselves neglected for a long time, started an insurrection. People who came from Libya after the destruction of that country and who were very well armed soon played a major role. Also many of the mercenaries being trained by the US went over to the insurgents.
Let's remember that in 1992 an Islamic political party won the elections in Algeria after which the army with encouragement from France took over power in the country and had to fight a long civil war that was very costly in lives and treasure. Algeria does not cooperate in the war in Mali except for allowing French aircraft to fly through its air space. It has declared itself opposed to foreign intervention in Mali.
In view of its experience in Algeria in the '90's it is unlikely that France sending ground forces to Mali was its own idea. This must be at the insistence of the US. One factor must have been to maintain some power over the West African countries and not abdicate in favor of the US.
The West African countries would develop better without foreign concern for Muslim extremism as the consequent interference induces enmity to those foreign parties which, by their own words, is best opposed by radical Muslims, who will then be called extremists.
 
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navyreco

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Franklin

Captain
Don't forget the critical role of China in Mali

The Chinese government has given millions to the North African country, and their influence is massive

Another year and another foreign adventure for the UK military, but with regards to Mali many analysts and commentators are missing an angle; the ‘Pivot to Asia’ and the surging role of China in the world.

This pivot, a strategic reorientation by the US to address the power of China, is a topic which haunts academic, policy-making and defence circles, including Defence Secretary Phil Hammond, who has argued previously that with increased US attention on Asia our European allies should step up and take a more "adventurous" role in foreign policy.

Of course, the pivot does not mean that the rest of the world becomes less important, or that the Middle East will lose its primacy, and others are right to make a link between combatants returning from Libya and the destabilisation of Mali. Moreover, the shift doesn’t mean that the US response to China’s power will be limited to pan-Pacific intrigue. It may prove to be in Africa - and by Africans - that the new rivalry will be felt most.

The war of words has been underway for some time. Last year, during a diplomatic jaunt around Africa, Hillary Clinton mustered arguably epic levels of intellectual dishonesty as she encouraged Africans to work with responsible democratic countries (pronounced: America) and avoid those who disregard human rights and look to extract Africa’s resources for their own ends. Though Clinton avoided mentioning China by name, she did enough to draw a rebuke from the Chinese. But in truth, this isn’t just going to be a shouting match.
US in Africa


The military component to the American program in Africa is the US African Command or Africom. Headquartered in Stuttgart, it serves as one of the five regional commands into which the world is subdivided by the United States. It includes a potent compliment of marines, air force, army, naval and Special Forces personnel spread around Germany, Italy and the Horn of Africa.

Africom has been operational and actively training the military forces of various African nations since 2007. Given Clinton’s comments it’s no leap of faith to see that the China’s influence in Africa, characterized by large sums of money with few strings attached in exchange for mineral concessions, is a concern for the US. This rivalry may come to shape the future of a continent already marked out like an imperial jigsaw puzzle.

Mali and the other former French colonies which surround it have had extensive dealings with China. The country, one of the poorest in the world, has received substantial Chinese money for development. In 2011 China made good on a package of hundreds of millions, partially as a “gift” to improve the “living standards of Malian people”.

Some argue that China will sit back and let the French do its work for it by handling the crisis and restoring some kind of stability, with China perhaps moving back in later. Contrary to that view, it is worth considering that the intervention may be at least partially informed by a need to counter the Chinese, certainly on the part of the US and also on the part of major European countries.
Mission Creep

The danger of UK involvement is clear, even if there is only a logistical element committed. Mission creep is the term my own commanding officer used in Afghanistan and he was proven right; war pulls intentions out of shape as no other human activity can. How long before flying French troops and equipment in and out of the country becomes transporting them internally? How long until the conflict escalates and drags more forces in, leaving us with personnel entangled in a new African insurgency? These are questions which concerned ministers and defence chiefs are mulling over.

As we have seen elsewhere, a lengthy occupation is likely to take the destiny of African people further out of their own control, perhaps even more so than under Chinese auspices. We are also faced with repeating a lesson which ought to have been learned by now; interventions consistently escalate violence - just as the troop increase in Afghanistan in 2006 created the protracted guerrilla war which had simply not existed beforehand.

Just as fighters have returned to Mali having cut their teeth elsewhere, we should also bear in mind that in a globalized world insurgent technology no more lingers at border checkpoints then rival imperial powers do. Much as the IED threat in Afghanistan migrated from Iraq, we might ask how long until we see the first roadside bomb in Mali? And from then on, given the training role which is likely to emerge to shore up Mali’s dilapidated military, how long until we see our first insider attack?

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solarz

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article said:
France's military campaign in Mali intensified on Wednesday as its forces pushed north in an attempt to dislodge Islamist rebel groups, bringing French troops into direct combat with rebels who appear to have dug in and prepared for an extended fight.

Continuing a two-pronged assault with air strikes and a ground assault, French forces alongside Malian troops ringed the town of Diabaly, where militants have spread throughout the population and continued air-strikes have failed to rout the rebels. Fighting to expel the rebels from the city took place for much of the day Wednesday, but as of Thursday morning it appeared the rebels had managed to hold on to the city amid continuing reports of French airstrikes there. Meanwhile, the French army launched strikes against the rebel-held town Konna, whose capture first sparked the French intervention.

In an attack that may confirm French fears of international reprisals in response to its intervention in Mali, a tense hostage crisis has developed in Algeria, where militants struck a BP gas field and took several foreigners hostage, including some Americans. Some 15 to 25 foreigners are said to have escaped, but the standoff between the militants and the Algerian government, which is considering considering inviting an international force, continues unabated.

Huh, so the French have enough man-power to launch two simultaneous strikes?
 

mobydog

Junior Member
I could be wrong, but a read somewhere years back that Mali the third largest gold producer in Africa, with some extensive Chinese exploration.
 

cn_habs

Junior Member
I could be wrong, but a read somewhere years back that Mali the third largest gold producer in Africa, with some extensive Chinese exploration.

Have you ever heard of the CFA Franc? Watch the Italian-made documentary I found on page 2.

Ivory Coast's got petrol and cocoa but all those countries are mostly controlled by the French through a series of pro-French puppets they implemented even with military intervention against local population.

This is all about good old French imperialism and squeezing out foreign competition like the Chinese all under the pretext of countering terrorism and implementing democracy.
 

Subedei

Banned Idiot
seems like a lot of firepower and resources are being invested to stop a rag tag bunch of "terrorists".

this looks to me like the beginnings of something more complex and long-term.

in reading the various news reports, it's interesting to learn just how dependent the europeans have become upon the us for basic logistical support like transport aircraft. they're scrambling to provide france with aircraft to move troops and materiel. and, also interesting is that not one neighboring country in west africa seems to have a coherent military capable of offering assistance without european intervention.

the recolonization of africa might be underway.
 
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