Taiwan's Reaction to PLA Force Modernization

hongkongpride said:

So until the KMT traitors pass the bill, the ROCAF will not recieve their F-16's-which I think is criminal neglection of duty by the KMT towards the country (depending on your view either Taiwan or ROC) especially since the new J-10 has come on line.

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One question is whether the US will find the proposed Orion and PAC deal in the main budget acceptable, or whether it will insist the supplementary budget & legal bill have to be passed too. Or indeed whether it will be satisfied at all by the current proposals, given that PAC-3 hasn't been ordered and there's not much SSK money (though I would argue the latter is understandable). Taiwan will doubtlessly hope the annual budget is enough.

although the US has been quite annoyed as of late toward the ungrateful South Koreans who ask the US to hand over all shared combat operations command by 2012, forgetting that the North Koreans are crazy if not downright insane and might attack at any moment.

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It's actually a case of the South Koreans dragging their feet. They don't really want to have to take responsibility themselves that much, from what I've read.

I'm not sure whether I'd welcome Japanese involvement in a Taiwan Straits conflict as the Japanese have a habit of getting too ambitious for their own good

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It would be very difficult for Japan not to get involved at all, because the US would expect back-up from them, even just logistical and search-and-rescue support. Japan would also get directly involved if its forces or the Okinawa bases were attacked. In either scenario, I do not think the Diet members would block involvement.

"however, compared with the Chinese Communist Party, I'd say the behaviour of the Japanese has definitely improved from "evil devils" to "extremely naughty little boys"

unfortunately the rest of Asia does not agree with you.

To them, and to me, Japan has not changed. They're simply being suppressed by the Americans. Once Article 9 comes off, you can expect an arms buildup in Asia.

eecsmaster said:

unfortunately the rest of Asia does not agree with you.

To them, and to me, Japan has not changed.

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Then Asia (bar China and Korea) had a strange way of showing that concern by generally backing Japan's UNSC bid.

They're simply being suppressed by the Americans. Once Article 9 comes off, you can expect an arms buildup in Asia.

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The Americans have nothing to do with it. Japan is keeping Article 9 because the public still likes it. If or when it is ammended/removed, Japan will probably start spending more on defence. But that would just be in relation to the arms build-up that is already happening in China and South Korea, as well as the threat of North Korea (which probably is going to hold on to its nuclear weapons).

Now, let's get back to Taiwan.

FuManChu said:

..arms build-up that is already happening in China and South Korea, as well as the threat of North Korea (which probably is going to hold on to its nuclear weapons).

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ROK-PRC relations aren't that friendly, and the ROK may help ROC in the future, if those relations are bad enough. also,

Last month, a Japanese legislator warned that Japan could become a Chinese province "if something goes wrong in Taiwan in the next 15 years."

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Probably not much more needs to be said!

Then Asia (bar China and Korea) had a strange way of showing that concern by generally backing Japan's UNSC bid.

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You must be joking, everybody in the world would knows that China and Korea does not want Japan become a new permenant security council members(even the US wouldn't let Japan become a member). China does not want to bluntly refuse Japan's bid. So they told Japan that, in order to add a new member everybody have to agree. Right, that wouldn't happen in a million years. That is basically an Asian way to say no.

Because of North Korea, I seriously doubt South Korea would get involved with the Taiwan conflict, they seem have plenty to lose and nothing to gain. Japan is another story, it does not really have a choice, because Amercian will use their base, I doubt they would say no.

optionsss said:

Because of North Korea, I seriously doubt South Korea would get involved with the Taiwan conflict, they seem have plenty to lose and nothing to gain. Japan is another story, it does not really have a choice, because Amercian will use their base, I doubt they would say no.

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I even doubt if they allow their bases being used, which is just damned risky to get involved into the war. After the WW2, for whatever reason, Japan never confronts Chinese military face to face, they just avoid that kind of contact as much as possible.

Japan was the first to trade with China in 1950s, it's the only country in western camp not imposing any sanction after June 4 of 1989. As I said you got to know Asian culture to understand, picking up one or two news as prove is just absurd.

optionsss said:

You must be joking, everybody in the world would knows that China and Korea does not want Japan become a new permenant security council members

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Did you read the post? I said BAR China & Korea - "bar" means apart from. I.e. they opposed it, but were in the minority when compared to the position of most Asian states.

FuManChu said:

Did you read the post? I said BAR China & Korea - "bar" means apart from. I.e. they opposed it, but were in the minority when compared to the position of most Asian states.

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You can name who officially suports Japan for that in Asia.

Second to none almost, Chinese influence changes a lot.

Did you read the post? I said BAR China & Korea - i.e. they opposed it, but were in the minority.

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That was my mistake.

I even doubt if they allow their bases being used, which is just damned risky to get involved into the war. After the WW2, for whatever reason, Japan never confronts Chinese military face to face, they just avoid that kind of contact as much as possible.

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Japan might think they can safely get way by not sending their force directly, just tell China that they don't have a choice ect...

optionsss said:

Japan might think they can safely get way by not sending their force directly, just tell China that they don't have a choice ect...

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I understand. But if Chinese strikes their bases, it may lead to the local civilian casualty - and then do they want to get into the war or not?

Actually I think Japan's rejection may well provide the US an excuse not to fight - a very good one to save their face. Let's see.