Taiwan's Reaction to PLA Force Modernization

Schumacher said:

You still don't get it. No one has crystal ball but the direction both candidates have chosen are towards some kind of union rather than away. Of course, if such a direction is maintained, any union will not need to be forceful.

You may not like this, but just shutting your eyes to the obvious will not change a thing.

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Schumacher, I am going to respond one last time because you have a serious allegation against me that I need to clear up. I have no position on whether Taiwan should declare independence, unify or whatever. You are a very nasty person to allege I don't want to see good relations between China and Taiwan and/or have any particular desire for what happens, other than things remain peaceful.

As to the rest, Hsieh has never said he will unify, and he doesn't even support the one-China principle. Taiwan can have good relations with China whether or not it is part of any union. There is no guarantee anything Hsieh proposes would be accepted by China.

Equally, Ma said there can only be a union when China becomes fully democratic (none of this "democracy with Chinese characteristics" nonsense). That is asking the CCP to renounce its "right" to govern China, something that is complete anathema to the Party.

In both cases, either Taiwanese political party could propose a deal that is rejected by Beijing. This is the whole problem with China-Taiwan relations and why a war could break out in the future.

Now can you please just leave this alone - otherwise the thread will almost certainly be locked.

FuManChu said:

You are a very nasty person to allege I don't want to see good relations between China and Taiwan and/or have any particular desire for what happens, other than things remain peaceful.

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That's something fundamentally wrong, Taiwan is a part of China from his point of view. There won't be anything "peaceful" trying to make these 2 listed that way.

But that's politics.

Screen captured from Chinese TV, war-drill, date is July 13, 2011. Not much "peace" there, I have no illusion.

Taiwan has said it won't because it regards itself as being independent already.

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Thats just self imagined independence, nobody recognize that, simply a way to try to get independent without declaring it openly, but you need to change Name of the country or at least the constitution first to give it any kinda of credibility, which then will certainly cause war.

Just because you believe something does not mean other people will believe in something. If they have to choose between Chinese subjugation and keeping their freedom by resisting, they will choose the latter option.

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Thats not what the lastest statistic in taiwan tells you, just go check Apple daily or Dongseng, now they will certainly be ppl willing to fight, but I seriously doubt there will be that many.
I know some Taiwanese, they told me that they dont really want unification, but if there is war, they would certainly not answer any call to fight or join the army, he doubt that even those currently serve in the military of ROC will stay in the army camp if they knew the war started.
Think of this, Those serviceman in ROC military, if they get injured or killed while resisting the PLA, they and their families will get ZERO in compensation or even cost of medical care for their injury unlike the PLA serviceman, the officers can also kiss goodbye to their lifetime pension unless they surrender or desert, this is the policy of PLA, those Taiwanese forces who surrender in time or rebell, desert will keep they rank in the military or get equivilent pension when discharged.
So I doubt any smart ppl will have much of a fighting morale in ROC military when face a PLA invasion.
Ofc, this is all based on PLA winning, but even if PLA lose, Taiwan ecomony will still be toltally ruined, dunno if they can get much anyway.

yehe said:

Thats just self imagined independence, nobody recognize that

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Actually I think what you mean is that Chinese have "self-imagined" union - nobody really believes China and Taiwan are not independent. As I said, it's a tale of "the emperor's new clothes" - China is the emperor.

he doubt that even those currently serve in the military of ROC will stay in the camp if the war started.

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The Taiwanese I know say opinions like that are nonsense.

FuManChu said:

Actually I think what you mean is that Chinese have "self-imagined" union - nobody really believes China and Taiwan are not independent. As I said, it's a tale of "the emperor's new clothes" - China is the emperor.



The Taiwanese I know say opinions like that are nonsense.

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It doesnt matter what the Chinese imagine or not, China recognize Taiwan is a separate governing entity, nevertheless, it believes Taiwan does not have the right to declare independence and both side belong to one single country as there is a result of a civilwar that technically never ended or even ceasefired, and as I have said here, unless you change the Name of the country or at least the entire constitution first to give it any kind of credibility, the independence thing is just self imagined, there are no country of any importance in the world that would recognize that.
China on other hand, dont imagine anything, China know for a fact only military can really reunite the country, today the PRC are merely looking for a unity to the name with the one country two system thing.

Take it to the PM, boys. Thread temporarily closed so no one will 'accidentally' try to get in a final word regarding China-Taiwan politics.