Taiwan's Reaction to PLA Force Modernization

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Clouded Leopard

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I don't think Taiwan is serious about getting Harrier. But maybe this is all done to demonstrate solid tangible Taiwanese interest in a VTOL aircraft, which is done to point the American's eyes towards allowing Taiwan to get F-35.
 

crobato

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Taiwan has two large underground mountain bases on its east coast that cannot be hit by ballistic missiles (due to the steep angle of the surrounding mountains.) They can hold up to 250 fighter jets.

Whoever told you that needs to actually fly up in a plane. At high altitude, even the tallest steepest mountains look like minor bumps. A ballistic missile can fall down perfectly straight.
 

crobato

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Wich then leads to payload. I think for the role they could play in such a scenario, they don't need to be heavy loaded. Four to six AMRAAMS and perhaps even a half internal fuel load. If a PLAAF airraid is in progress, just pop out of the forrest or vallay, accelerate a bit and launch the missiles into the formations flank. Then immediatly hide again.

Maybe you didn't read all the other parts, including the way they can blast pavement and recook asphalt. They can do stuff on asphalt that would make that section of pavement unsuable for anything else. Saves the PLAAF the trouble for bombing that place.

Harriers also have a way of cooking earth and soil into molten glass. That's what you generally get when you superheat sand. And it raises a massive dust storm that is sure to get FOD into the other aircraft. It's a different thing when a helicopter throws the air from its rotor blades to the ground, its another thing when a jet engine of this power has its thrust focused on the same spot in the ground for an extended duration of time.

The USN and the USAF actually hate the aircraft and wonder why the Marines bother. The Marines complain why they dont' get enough funding for the aircraft but after all, the politicians themselves are seriously questioning about the plane, not without good reason.

Remember, this is not a very safe plane to fly. The plane has as much wing area as a MiG-21---for a plane that weighs as much as an F-16. The last generation of MiG-21 is already getting serious problems with accidents involving wing loading issues, and that plane is more than a ton lighter than a Harrier.

When you compound the high wing loading, the high RCS intakes, the poor thermal placement, and the low speed of the aircraft, you know the plane is not very survivable in a modern combat environment.
 

Clouded Leopard

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The budget should be up for voting in the next few days. If it doesn't work, DPP might try to extend the legislative session.


If not, I don't know what happens. Could be that the budget dies forever.
 

szbd

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Good points, probably. My shortlist would be like this:


1. A large number of anti-ship missiles, as you mentioned.
2. An integrated air defense network of minimum 1,500 missiles (TK-2 and other missiles)
3. A large fuel reserve, sufficient for 90 day's use
4. C4ISRT and communications....you can never have too many of this

I think fuel reserve is not important. 1 supertank's hold of fuel is enough for a big war. Taiwan can control all the civilian fuel for military usadge. If you consider a blockade, then there are simply tooooooo many things need to be stored.
 

Clouded Leopard

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I think fuel reserve is not important. 1 supertank's hold of fuel is enough for a big war.

Huh....? :nono: :coffee:


There is sabotage, battle damage, higher rates of depletion etc. to take into account.

Do you really think that a military the size of Taiwan's could run a full-fledged war of perhaps 3 weeks all on 1 supertanker's fuel alone?
 

Pointblank

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Fuel and munitions expenditure skyrocket during a war. You use everything up at a much higher rate from bullets, to spare parts, to precision guided munitions. I am really worried that if there is a war in the Taiwan Strait, Taiwan might run out of ammunition in a middle of the war, and drag the US into the war if they haven't done so before because the Taiwanese will ask the Americans to airlift weapons to them.
 

szbd

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Huh....? :nono: :coffee:


There is sabotage, battle damage, higher rates of depletion etc. to take into account.

Do you really think that a military the size of Taiwan's could run a full-fledged war of perhaps 3 weeks all on 1 supertanker's fuel alone?

1 supertank can carry 300,000 tons, that is 375,000,000L. A tank uses 4 L for 1 km, let's say 5L, that should be enough for taiwan's tank, even in combat situation. So, that's 75,000 tanks for 1000km, or 75,000 trucks for 25000km. Before they run out of this amount of fuel, they war is over.
 

szbd

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What I mean is a short war doesn't consume too much fuel. Just control the fuel already in Taiwan, and transfer part of it to military use is enough.
 
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