Taiwan's Reaction to PLA Force Modernization

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Clouded Leopard

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What I mean is a short war doesn't consume too much fuel.

Well, Taiwan has close to 400 fighter jets,
310 helicopters,
556 tanks/Paladins,
maybe 400 armored carriers soon,
maybe 150 non-fighter aircraft.
And don't forget that Taiwan's 96 naval warships also use conventional fuel.


Just control the fuel already in Taiwan, and transfer part of it to military use is enough.

I'd be much more comfortable if I knew that the fuel was already stored in safe locations near military bases in wartime, rather than the Taiwanese military frantically having to run out and siphon gasoline with jerry cans out of a commercial gas pump station.
 

Clouded Leopard

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I am really worried that if there is a war in the Taiwan Strait, Taiwan might run out of ammunition in a middle of the war, and drag the US into the war if they haven't done so before because the Taiwanese will ask the Americans to airlift weapons to them.

This is a legitimate concern; after all, Taiwan's air force has only 120 AMRAAM missiles for its F-16s.


Taiwan is placing small orders for more missiles (100 SM-2s, 218 AIM-120s, and 235 Mavericks this year I think.)
 
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Clouded Leopard

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Budget greenlighted for Friday


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DEADLOCK RESOLVED? : The Procedure Committee agreed that the budget bill for fiscal 2007 would be the first item to be reviewed by the legislature on Friday
By Shih Hsiu-chuan

STAFF REPORTER
Wednesday, Jun 13, 2007, Page 1

The long-stalled central government budget for the current fiscal year, including partial funding for a US arms procurement deal, was finally put on top of the agenda for Friday's plenary session after the pan-blue camp agreed yesterday to decouple it from the Organic Law of the Central Election Commission (中選會組織法).
The pan-blue dominated Procedure Committee agreed without objection that the budget bill, which has been listed behind the bill to amend the commission's law in the sequence of deliberation for more than half a year, would be the first item to be reviewed on Friday.
This means the budget bill will clear the legislature before it goes into recess on Friday.
The Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) has criticized the Chinese Nationalist Party (KMT) for holding up the budget bill in a bid to get the Democratic Progressive Party to agree to the KMT's proposal to restructure the election commission to give it a pan-blue majority.
The KMT lawmakers' change of heart came one day after their party's presidential candidate, Ma Ying-jeou (馬英九), urged the KMT caucus to allow the budget bill to be reviewed ahead of the commission bill and to pass it before the end of the legislative session.
Ma's appeal, however, stirred speculation that he and Legislative Speaker Wang Jin-pyng (王金平) were competing for any credit due for ending the deadlock.
DPP caucus whip Ker Chien-ming (柯建銘) had previously accused Ma of masterminding the KMT's linkage of the budget bill to passage of the commission's bill.
On Jan. 19, the final day of the last legislative session, Ker quoted KMT Secretary-General Wu Den-yih (吳敦義) as saying during a cross-party negotiation meeting that day that Ma had asked the KMT to do whatever it could to get the amendment to the election commission law passed.
Soon after Ma made his appeal on Monday, a source from Wang's camp said that the speaker had already told Wu and Tseng last Friday that the KMT should delink the two bills.
"I told the KMT that the budget bill could not be delayed any longer," Wang said on Monday.
When asked by reporters yesterday about who should get credit for breaking the legislative logjam, Wang downplayed his role.
"[The U-turn] was to do with Ma. He deserves all the credit," Wang said after hearing that Wu had said "it's nothing to do with who should take the credit. Wang was also involved in the decision-making process."
Ker told a press conference yesterday that the KMT lawmakers might only pretend to let the budget bill through in a bid to demand the passage of the amendment to the election commission bill as a trade-off.
"There should be no preconditions for the passage of the budget bill. No unconstitutional bills should be allowed to pass the legislature," he said.
The Budget Act (預算法) states that the legislature should finish their review of the central government's budget bill one month before the start of the fiscal year -- or by the end of last November.
Meanwhile, not all budget matters are likely to be passed by the end of the day on Friday.
The NT$3.3 trillion budget for state-owned enterprises and governmental non-profit funds and the NT$77.3 billion special budget for public construction projects are still listed below the CEC bill on Friday's agenda.
DPP Secretary-General Lin Chia-lung (林佳龍) told reporters that the KMT was not really trying to solve the problems arising from the long-stalled budget bill because the other two budgets were still blocked.
 

Clouded Leopard

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Any word on what the final arms package in this (annual budget) is?


Somewhere, I heard that the $20 million Taiping Island airstrip was canceled.
 

fishhead

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I'd be much more comfortable if I knew that the fuel was already stored in safe locations near military bases in wartime, rather than the Taiwanese military frantically having to run out and siphon gasoline with jerry cans out of a commercial gas pump station.

Taiwan doesn't have many "military bases" in western concept. Most of the army units mix up living in civilian resident area. They can't even find a proper place to do war-drill - missiles landing on civilian graveyards, etc

It's the one of the most populated places in the world, any war there will lead to a nightmire mess
 
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Taiwan is placing small orders for more missiles (100 SM-2s, 218 AIM-120s, and 235 Mavericks this year I think.)

Has placed. The funds were included in the general 2007 budget from what I remember. There was a little bit of a stink because someone noticed the military had tried to sneak the order for the ROCAF's missiles in a way that wasn't permitted - but it was allowed to ride.
 

Skywatcher

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I don't really see the utility for the Taiping airstrip, unless someone in the MoD wants to take the PC-3s and attack shipping coming out of Hong Kong.
 

Unit88

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i find it funny that while america has basically air superioty all over the world and while china has their measly J-10, now Taiwan is getting all worried. Basically, not to be rude or anything, i feel that Taiwan is itching for a major conflict between America and China. What i also find amusing is that if you look into the history of Chinese military, the Chinese has never terrorized another neighboring nation. Only china has been the nation helping others. The ONLY ASIAN nation which is a serious threat based on history is JAPAN!! Do you possibly think that Japan will ever forgive America for dropping the Atomic Bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

What I am trying to say here is what is the point of getting all worried about China's recent military development. I find it amusing how all the spot light is being directed towards China when it is obvious that China will never declare war on The UNited States, so there isnt a "Threat to OUR national security," like President Bush always states when he talks about terrorists. I mean we should be focusing our attention to all of the ASIAN nations, not just China.
 

szbd

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One basic background of this taiwan independent thing is "Americans will come and beat them up". The politicians use independence to get power and use americans to back up their stance. So they keep talk this. And Americans are very glad to play this game as well. At least easy money for them.
 

szbd

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Well, Taiwan has close to 400 fighter jets,
310 helicopters,
556 tanks/Paladins,
maybe 400 armored carriers soon,
maybe 150 non-fighter aircraft.
And don't forget that Taiwan's 96 naval warships also use conventional fuel.




I'd be much more comfortable if I knew that the fuel was already stored in safe locations near military bases in wartime, rather than the Taiwanese military frantically having to run out and siphon gasoline with jerry cans out of a commercial gas pump station.

For your numbers, still a supertank's load is enough. Every country has very centralized places to store fuels, and distribute them around pipes. I think even for countries like China and US are the same. In fact, gasoline from different companies' gas stations is the same, be it shell or mobile, all the same. So when in war, taiwan's military forces can just take fuel from these storage.
 
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