Taiwan Military News, Reports, Data, etc.
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When I joined this forum I looked for rule threads since I thought political discussion on a sino forum would be unacceptable but I found none, sorry if I caused any tension.
In regards to ROC defense, air power is the real deal here and lack of backing from the USA is a real disadvantage, the USA could take on China in a conventional war, but a nuclear war, it is questionable.
It doesn't lack the budget, just the funding. The former administration has for several years decreased the amount of spending to below 3% of the GDP. Now that the new administration has come in, spending is going to be at least 3% of the GDP. However as good as it seems there are still major budget cuts in the military for some stupid reason even though more money is flowing in.
No one here doubts that the Chinese can easily overtake Taiwan production wise. What we're trying to say is that Taiwan should increase its own defence industry, not by trying to match China's but to have the ability to sustain its defence needs if foreign countries don't sell what Taiwan needs or wants.
I highly doubt that its legitimate. News from China is always "censored to favour the Chinese government", just like Xinhua and CCTV. Who is going to vote for them anyway.....even die hard unificationists vote for the KMT or the New Party. Communism just isn't popular in Taiwan, and with 75% voting in the last election, you can say that the Taiwanese enjoy their democracy.
Sorry for being political. I got nothing more to say.
By the way guys, this was what i was talking about yesterday. The fake guards thing.
Military berated for use of ‘dummy guards’ in Taoyuan
By Rich Chang and Jimmy Chuang
STAFF REPORTERS, WITH AGENCIES
Wednesday, Jul 23, 2008, Page 1
The military came under fire from legislators yesterday after it was revealed that dummy soldiers had been used to stand guard at an army base in Taoyuan County.
The storm of criticism came after Chinese-language media reported that an artillery unit had posted dummy soldiers at guard posts at the army’s Sixth Legion Artillery Command Headquarters, located at Tungshih Base in Taoyuan County’s Pingchen Township (平鎮), raising worries over a possible shortage of manpower.
Democratic Progressive Party Legislator Tsai Huang-liang (蔡煌瑯) said the military’s use of dummies to stand guard at a military base was “a joke” and asked whether the army would also send dummies if it had to fight a war.
Tsai said the morale of the military had suffered since President Ma Ying-jeou (馬英九) came into office in May because his polices have focused on China.
In response, the Ministry of National Defense’s Joint Warfare Planning Department director, Hau Yi-chi (郝以知), said yesterday the dummies were part of “decoy tactics” used at the base.
“It is part and parcel of military tactics and it is nothing new. In addition to dummy guards, we also use mock tanks and mock camps to confuse enemies in case they are taking satellite pictures,” Hau said, adding that the military would continue to use dummy guards “irregularly,” albeit only at night.
Chinese Nationalist Party (KMT) Legislator Lin Yu-fang (林郁方) said that if the military wants to use dummies, “it should at least use more realistic ones rather than something that can be instantly recognized as fake.”
Military berated for use of ‘dummy guards’ in Taoyuan
By Rich Chang and Jimmy Chuang
STAFF REPORTERS, WITH AGENCIES
Wednesday, Jul 23, 2008, Page 1
The military came under fire from legislators yesterday after it was revealed that dummy soldiers had been used to stand guard at an army base in Taoyuan County.
The storm of criticism came after Chinese-language media reported that an artillery unit had posted dummy soldiers at guard posts at the army’s Sixth Legion Artillery Command Headquarters, located at Tungshih Base in Taoyuan County’s Pingchen Township (平鎮), raising worries over a possible shortage of manpower.
Democratic Progressive Party Legislator Tsai Huang-liang (蔡煌瑯) said the military’s use of dummies to stand guard at a military base was “a joke” and asked whether the army would also send dummies if it had to fight a war.
Tsai said the morale of the military had suffered since President Ma Ying-jeou (馬英九) came into office in May because his polices have focused on China.
In response, the Ministry of National Defense’s Joint Warfare Planning Department director, Hau Yi-chi (郝以知), said yesterday the dummies were part of “decoy tactics” used at the base.
“It is part and parcel of military tactics and it is nothing new. In addition to dummy guards, we also use mock tanks and mock camps to confuse enemies in case they are taking satellite pictures,” Hau said, adding that the military would continue to use dummy guards “irregularly,” albeit only at night.
Chinese Nationalist Party (KMT) Legislator Lin Yu-fang (林郁方) said that if the military wants to use dummies, “it should at least use more realistic ones rather than something that can be instantly recognized as fake.”
Latest news......finally someone from the US side that is saying that the weapons procurement will go through. See below.
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Bush will revive arms sales: Wolfowitz
A ‘PRIVATE CITIZEN’: The former deputy secretary of defense expressed confidence that the US leader would honor a commitment he made in 2001 and complete the deal
By Richard Hazeldine
STAFF REPORTER
Thursday, Jul 24, 2008, Page 1
US-Taiwan Business Council chairman Paul Wolfowitz told a gathering of the American Chamber of Commerce in Taipei yesterday that he believed the administration of US President George W. Bush would recommence arms sales to Taiwan before Bush leaves office in January.
Wolfowitz, a close ally of Bush who served as US deputy secretary of defense from 2001 to 2005 and played a key role in the US invasion of Iraq, said he was confident the arms freeze would be lifted, as the US president had made a commitment in April 2001, and that Bush is “strong on commitments” and “treats commitments as commitments.”
“I believe that the packages will go forward and the US will keep its word,” he said.
Wolfowitz’s comments come against the backdrop of a halt in the processing of weapons sales to Taiwan this year ahead of Bush’s trip to the Olympic Games opening ceremony in Beijing on Aug. 8 and mixed messages from Washington about whether the freeze is official.
Commander of US forces in the Pacific Admiral Timothy Keating told the Heritage Foundation think tank in Washington last Wednesday that the freeze was “administration policy,” while just two days later a State Department official refused to say there was such a policy.
Stressing that he was speaking as a “private citizen” throughout his 45-minute speech, the former World Bank president later questioned Keating’s authoritativeness on the subject, saying he was not a government spokesman.
Commenting on recent cross-strait developments, Wolfowitz said that President Ma Ying-jeou’s (馬英九) three noes policy — no unification, no independence and no use of force — had made a big contribution to peace in the region and put things on the right path.
He said the reduction in tension and increased contact across the Strait would make it easier for Washington to have good relations with both Taiwan and China.
To improve perceptions of Taiwan in the US, Wolfowitz said it was important not to “focus on the past” and that Taiwan should try to increase visits by opinion makers such as academics and politicians.
People of influence with first-hand understanding of Taiwan would help the nation in its quest for increased international space, he said.
Praising Taiwan’s successful transition from dictatorship to democracy, Wolfowitz said that although he was a long-time friend of former Singaporean prime minister Lee Kuan Yew (李光耀), he disagreed with the theory that Asian people do not mind being told what to do by government.
He added that he had been heartened to hear that Chinese people had been “glued to their televisions” waiting for the results of Taiwan’s presidential election in March.
In the long term, he said, he was confident that Taiwan would have a bigger influence on China than vice versa.
The US-Taiwan Business Coun*cil is a non-profit organization established in 1976 to promote trade and business relations between Taiwan and the US and is very active in promoting defense-related trade.
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Bush will revive arms sales: Wolfowitz
A ‘PRIVATE CITIZEN’: The former deputy secretary of defense expressed confidence that the US leader would honor a commitment he made in 2001 and complete the deal
By Richard Hazeldine
STAFF REPORTER
Thursday, Jul 24, 2008, Page 1
US-Taiwan Business Council chairman Paul Wolfowitz told a gathering of the American Chamber of Commerce in Taipei yesterday that he believed the administration of US President George W. Bush would recommence arms sales to Taiwan before Bush leaves office in January.
Wolfowitz, a close ally of Bush who served as US deputy secretary of defense from 2001 to 2005 and played a key role in the US invasion of Iraq, said he was confident the arms freeze would be lifted, as the US president had made a commitment in April 2001, and that Bush is “strong on commitments” and “treats commitments as commitments.”
“I believe that the packages will go forward and the US will keep its word,” he said.
Wolfowitz’s comments come against the backdrop of a halt in the processing of weapons sales to Taiwan this year ahead of Bush’s trip to the Olympic Games opening ceremony in Beijing on Aug. 8 and mixed messages from Washington about whether the freeze is official.
Commander of US forces in the Pacific Admiral Timothy Keating told the Heritage Foundation think tank in Washington last Wednesday that the freeze was “administration policy,” while just two days later a State Department official refused to say there was such a policy.
Stressing that he was speaking as a “private citizen” throughout his 45-minute speech, the former World Bank president later questioned Keating’s authoritativeness on the subject, saying he was not a government spokesman.
Commenting on recent cross-strait developments, Wolfowitz said that President Ma Ying-jeou’s (馬英九) three noes policy — no unification, no independence and no use of force — had made a big contribution to peace in the region and put things on the right path.
He said the reduction in tension and increased contact across the Strait would make it easier for Washington to have good relations with both Taiwan and China.
To improve perceptions of Taiwan in the US, Wolfowitz said it was important not to “focus on the past” and that Taiwan should try to increase visits by opinion makers such as academics and politicians.
People of influence with first-hand understanding of Taiwan would help the nation in its quest for increased international space, he said.
Praising Taiwan’s successful transition from dictatorship to democracy, Wolfowitz said that although he was a long-time friend of former Singaporean prime minister Lee Kuan Yew (李光耀), he disagreed with the theory that Asian people do not mind being told what to do by government.
He added that he had been heartened to hear that Chinese people had been “glued to their televisions” waiting for the results of Taiwan’s presidential election in March.
In the long term, he said, he was confident that Taiwan would have a bigger influence on China than vice versa.
The US-Taiwan Business Coun*cil is a non-profit organization established in 1976 to promote trade and business relations between Taiwan and the US and is very active in promoting defense-related trade.
A need for RCWS (Remote Controlled Weapon Station)
The first picture shows ROC Army M113, the 2nd is ROC Navy's new FAC, and 3rd pic shows the T75S 20mm (GAM-B01) cannon that's also installed on the FAC. We can observe that these weapon mounts are manually operated, exposing the crew to enemy fire.
This is one area of development where I think the ROC defense industry can improve on. It can't be THAT hard to develop remote-controlled weapon stations. Here's some specs/requirements for such a system:
* A "light mount" RCWS for 7.62mm MG, or MG + 2 x missiles
* A "medium weight mount" RCWS for 20mm-40mm auto-cannon, or cannon + missiles.
* Land-based vehicle and naval/ship-based variants
* Good stabilization, fire control, day/night operation
* Multi-sensor optoelectronic system
* Operated independently via tracking camera, or slaved to ship's on-board system
* Manually-operated back-up mode in case of system failure
The Israelis have some good RCWS that ROC defense industry could emulate. Here's some examples:
Land vehicle based "light mount" with MG + 2 x ATGM & operator station:
Navy "light mount" version & operator station:
Vehicle "medium weight mount" with 30mm AC + 2 x ATGM:
Navy version with 25mm AC, & 25mm AC + 2 x missiles:
Navy version with 4 x SAM and 12 x decoy launchers:
The French has similar system with 30mm AC & Mistral SAM:
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IMO the ROC military should consider developing (or buying/licensing/copying) RWCS systems for upgrading land-based and naval systems. If you're going to build armored vehicles to protect the troops inside, there's no point in sticking a gunner out the hatch and exposing him to enemy fire.
ROC Army vehicles are lacking in ATGM's. A RWCS with couple of ATGM's would provide better firepower against armored opponents and stationary/fortified targets. Even on ships, ATGM's can be placed on smaller boats to increase their firepower beyond couple of MG's.
The first picture shows ROC Army M113, the 2nd is ROC Navy's new FAC, and 3rd pic shows the T75S 20mm (GAM-B01) cannon that's also installed on the FAC. We can observe that these weapon mounts are manually operated, exposing the crew to enemy fire.
This is one area of development where I think the ROC defense industry can improve on. It can't be THAT hard to develop remote-controlled weapon stations. Here's some specs/requirements for such a system:
* A "light mount" RCWS for 7.62mm MG, or MG + 2 x missiles
* A "medium weight mount" RCWS for 20mm-40mm auto-cannon, or cannon + missiles.
* Land-based vehicle and naval/ship-based variants
* Good stabilization, fire control, day/night operation
* Multi-sensor optoelectronic system
* Operated independently via tracking camera, or slaved to ship's on-board system
* Manually-operated back-up mode in case of system failure
The Israelis have some good RCWS that ROC defense industry could emulate. Here's some examples:
Land vehicle based "light mount" with MG + 2 x ATGM & operator station:
Navy "light mount" version & operator station:
Vehicle "medium weight mount" with 30mm AC + 2 x ATGM:
Navy version with 25mm AC, & 25mm AC + 2 x missiles:
Navy version with 4 x SAM and 12 x decoy launchers:
The French has similar system with 30mm AC & Mistral SAM:
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IMO the ROC military should consider developing (or buying/licensing/copying) RWCS systems for upgrading land-based and naval systems. If you're going to build armored vehicles to protect the troops inside, there's no point in sticking a gunner out the hatch and exposing him to enemy fire.
ROC Army vehicles are lacking in ATGM's. A RWCS with couple of ATGM's would provide better firepower against armored opponents and stationary/fortified targets. Even on ships, ATGM's can be placed on smaller boats to increase their firepower beyond couple of MG's.
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Taiwan needs heavy SAM defenses along with decent fighters to counter the invading swarms. They only have a few F-16s. Naval defense is almost impossible due to the new CLUB-S/N missiles so is really a waste of money.
IIRC the USA hasn't officially declared they would defend Taiwan?
IIRC the USA hasn't officially declared they would defend Taiwan?
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Taiwan need to defend itself not only from the mainland but from other countries as well. Taiwan also stake a claim in several disputed islands. Take a look at the rescent example of the dispute with the Japanese regarding the diaoyu island.