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This article puts the blame on reduction of manpower:

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Taiwan demilitarizes picturesque offshore islet

By PETER ENAV, Associated Press WriterThu Jul 24, 6:34 AM ET

Concrete pilings designed to prevent an invasion no longer dot this tiny Taiwanese islet's shoreline. A formidable marine garrison also has vanished, replaced by laid-back coast guardsmen and marine biologists.

Don't be mistaken, though — the government is not suddenly renouncing its long-standing claim to Dongsha, a picturesque islet in the South China Sea. China, from which Taiwan split in a civil war in 1949, claims it, too.

A well maintained monument set amid Dongsha's low cut tropical shrubbery spells out the claim in neat Chinese characters, and a small tree planted by former President Chen Shui-bian calls attention to it.

But an ambitious government plan to reduce the strength of Taiwan's armed forces from the 450,000 it numbered in the late 1990s to as few as 200,000 by 2012 is taking its toll on military staffing throughout the island of 23 million people, including on far-flung offshore territories like Dongsha.

Only this week a Taiwanese newspaper reported the army was placing dummies at guard posts on major military bases because there are not enough real guards to go around. The present Taiwanese military force level stands at about 270,000.

The government's downsizing program reflects an emphasis on high-tech weaponry and the prohibitive cost of maintaining large numbers of soldiers, sailors and airmen, military expert Alexander Huang of Taipei's Tamkang University said.

But he cautioned that the downsizing program should in no way be confused with a lack of military preparedness.

"They're two entirely separate stories," he said.

Downsizing is a "rational policy," said defense expert Andrew Yang of Taipei's Council of Advanced Political Studies

"It's reducing expenditure on personnel and freeing up funds to upgrade high-tech systems and increase the level of professionalism across the board," he said.

On Dongsha, the largest element in the three-islet Pratas group, some 200 coast guardsmen provide the manpower to back up the government's claim to control.

Though military in appearance, they are unarmed and spend little or no time contemplating a possible Chinese invasion.

China continues to view Taiwan as part of its territory and has threatened to attack if it makes its de facto independence permanent.

Huang said the 1999 decision to send in the coast guard to replace Dongsha's hardcore marine fighters was intended to signal Beijing that Taiwan was interested in an overall lowering of tensions.

The pro-independence policies championed by Chen during his presidency may have undermined that effort, but even if they did, Dongsha was not adversely affected, said Deputy Minister Yih Rong-tzung of the Government Information Office.

"Over the last 10 years there's been no change at all in the status of this place," he said.

With the May inauguration of anti-independence President Ma Ying-jeou, hopes are high that Dongsha's postcard-pretty scenery will remain untrammeled for many years to come.

Ma is committed to signing an historic peace treaty with Beijing by the end of his term in 2012, or 2016 if he is re-elected.

He has already opened the doors to direct weekend flights across the 100-mile-wide Taiwan Strait, and a substantial expansion in the number of Chinese tourists visiting Taiwan.

(This version CORRECTS that late 1990s force levels were 450,000).)
 

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Taiwan needs heavy SAM defenses

Betting the farm on someone else coming to your aid is sheer folly. Here's the locally built TC-2 mobile ADS mounted on truck. Wonder what the radar vehicle looks like though.

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They were supposed to install these to ROC Navy ships in box launchers, not sure what the progress is.

The French has successfully tested the MICA missile for both land-based and ship-based systems:
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Naval VL-MICA promotional video:
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The French may install them to the ship's sides and not the usual front deck location:
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It's a more elegant solution to the Canadian Halifax frigate's installation of VL Sea Sparrow:
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These are good examples for the ROC military to look at for possible use of TC-2 SAM. Improved domestically built land-based SHORAD system, and naval variant (both VL and slanted box launcher type) for fitting to existing and future ships.
 
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Better the farm on someone else coming to your aid is sheer folly. Here's the locally built TC-2 mobile ADS mounted on truck. Wonder what the radar vehicle looks like though.

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They were supposed to install these to ROC Navy ships in box launchers, not sure what the progress is.

The French has successfully tested the MICA missile for both land-based and ship-based systems:
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Naval VL-MICA promotional video:
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The French may install them to the ship's sides and not the usual front deck location:


It's a more elegant solution to the Canadian Halifax frigate's installation of VL Sea Sparrow:



These are good examples for the ROC military to look at for possible use of TC-2 SAM. Improved domestically built land-based SHORAD system, and naval variant (both VL and slanted box launcher type) for fitting to existing and future ships.

Problem is they are all short range, has Taiwan acquired the Patriot yet? RIM-66 or Aster 30 missiles would be handy for Naval vessels.

YJ-91 (Kh-31P) is ranged at 110km, Taiwanese defenses will need to exceed that.
 
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kliu0

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Odd thing isn't it, Taiwan is trying to develop a more professional and high tech army, however with the downsizing it hasn't achieved what it is suppose to and has instead created a low morale atmosphere and left many parts of the "First Line of Defence" undefended. Theres way more to rant about, but I can't be bothered because thats how the military is going to continue to be under this administration.

They have PATRIOT II, supposedly I thought the PAC III upgrades were approved 6 months before the arms freeze. So who knows whats going to happen.....
 
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Odd thing isn't it, Taiwan is trying to develop a more professional and high tech army, however with the downsizing it hasn't achieved what it is suppose to and has instead created a low morale atmosphere and left many parts of the "First Line of Defence" undefended. Theres way more to rant about, but I can't be bothered because thats how the military is going to continue to be under this administration.

They have PATRIOT II, supposedly I thought the PAC III upgrades were approved 6 months before the arms freeze. So who knows whats going to happen.....

PAC-3 supposedly has better PK vs. BMs but has a significantly reduced range.

Sky Bow I/II looks promising though with 100/200km range, Sky Bow III is probably a better investment than the Patriot, I think, maybe just upgrade the current PAC-2s to the PAC-3 standard as Sky Bow isn't as good vs. BMs.
 

kliu0

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PAC-3 supposedly has better PK vs. BMs but has a significantly reduced range.

Sky Bow I/II looks promising though with 100/200km range, Sky Bow III is probably a better investment than the Patriot, I think, maybe just upgrade the current PAC-2s to the PAC-3 standard as Sky Bow isn't as good vs. BMs.

Meh, if so they shouldn't upgrade their PAC 2 to PAC 3 instead buy them separately so that they can have both PAC II and PAC III. Sky Bow I is being phased out (by 2011 or 2015 something like that) and being replaced with Sky Bow II. Sky Bow III is being developed to form an Anti-Ballistic missile shield.
 
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otester

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Meh, if so they shouldn't upgrade their PAC 2 to PAC 3 instead buy them separately so that they can have both PAC II and PAC III. Sky Bow I is being phased out (by 2011 or 2015 something like that) and being replaced with Sky Bow II. Sky Bow III is being developed to form an Anti-Ballistic missile shield.

Also the PAC-3 is readily available, getting a few PAC-3s should be priority along with Sky Bow II/III development, as invasion could be at any time, so when the Sky Bow III is available, sell off the remaining PAC's to a European country which will need them to complete the missile shield and Taiwan can keep themselves self-sufficient in SAM/ABM production.
 

kliu0

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Why not keep it all.....expand air defense coverage.....they weren't free when we bought em you know.....
 
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otester

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Why not keep it all.....expand air defense coverage.....they weren't free when we bought em you know.....

Well another, possibly better possibility is Taiwan waits for Sky Bow II deployment to be completed and then upgrade the current PAC-2's to the PAC-3 standard, then later the Sky Bow III's can be deployed as well, since they are probably cheaper as they are mobile.
 

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