I doubt they will get, or afford the Mk-41. Better to install a RAM forward for self defense.
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It has the ergonomics of an AR-15/M-16 rifles but fires a 9mm round instead, so that means the bolt, chamber, and barrel has to be fitted and made for the round as well.
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
Well The Controls and pistol grip as well as layout are borrowed form the and the T91,T86,and T68 which themselves were more or less piston AR's. now as to the barrel and the bolt I would agree likely 9mm Nato spec but the Chamber is a little different. 9mm chambered assault rifles not unheard of, The Colt 9mm SMG based on the CAR 15, Steyr Para 9mm and the MicroTavor 9mm. because the 5.56mm Nato Rounds are full pressure assault rifles rounds the pressure rating in a mil spec chamber is more enough.
thunderchief
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Are Philippines,Vietnam and Japan main opponents of Taiwan now ?
Does Taiwan needs 10+ frigates to deter Vietnam ? How likely is Japan vs Taiwan war with other parties staying neutral ? Let's not delude ourselves - primary opponent of Taiwan is China .Perry-class is unsuited to fight such opponent, especially since USN removed even Mk13launchers and Harpoons from their ships (Taiwan would have to pay to retrofit them or their own missiles ) .
Buying large number of frigates is a product of inertia and denial of reality - Taiwanese planers are still stuck in 70's and 80's with weak PLAN they could hope to meet in open seas. I won't exclude corruption and bribes as a motive either, but since we have no definite proof I won't discuss it further.
thunderchief
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ASW against what opponent and at what location ? In case of war against China those ships have almost zero chance of survival far from Taiwan itself. And to do ASW work around island you don't need frigates - sonar buoys could be placed and helicopters could take off from land .
Or Taiwan needs to maintain huge fleet of frigates just to keep in check few Vietnamese subs way down south
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You are mistaken in two key areas:ASW against what opponent and at what location ? In case of war against China those ships have almost zero chance of survival far from Taiwan itself. And to do ASW work around island you don't need frigates - sonar buoys could be placed and helicopters could take off from land .
Or Taiwan needs to maintain huge fleet of frigates just to keep in check few Vietnamese subs way down south
1) Having very good ASW frigates will be critical all around the island in case of conflict. Sonar buoys and hyrdraphone networks are not enough...not by a far shot. Particularly to the east of the island in ensuring that a blocking force of hostile submarines trying to prevent resupply or assistance from that direction is broken.
2) These vessels are not completely defenseless, and would probably have support as well, in any scenario doing ASW work further from the islands, say down further in the SCS and would prove an invaluable asset for the ROCN in those areas for operations there.
The ROCN planners know what they are doing. They have made the best choice possible given their funding and choices.
The problem for Taiwan's navy is that the biggest threat to them doesn't come from under the sea but increasingly comes from the air. And that's were they are weak. For the PLAN its the opposite they have very good air defence systems on their ships but are weak when it comes to ASW. And that's why the story of the US helping Taiwan to build SSK's is so important. I believe the PLAN is starting to invest in their ASW capabilities but it will take some time for the new technologies and trained personnels to come through.
The ROCN has to be ready for several scenarios.
First is conflict with the mainland. In such a scenario it is true that they will be subject to massive ballistic missile bombardment to try and negate their air force, their air defense, and any navy in port. But the ROC is prepared to defend against a certain amount of that, and absorb the rest, depending...and absolutely relying on...help from the east in the form of the US Navy. That will be their ultimate life line. The submarine threat is going to be one of, if not the most dangerous threat to that happening. So their ASW capabilities to stave off a blockade/picket line of submarines to their east will be absolutely critical. And these Perry frigates from the US, as well as their own builds, will be absolutely critical to that.
Second is the potential for conflict with smaller nations in the South China Sea. Some of these nations are going to have decent submarine warfare capabilities and the Perry frigates would be absolutely critical in any conceivable confrontation with any of those powers.
Third, patroling against piracy and asymetric threats from terrorist. While the Perry's ASW capabilities will not come so much into play in this scenario, their excellent sea keeping abilities, the fire power they have, and particularly their helicopters would also play an important role in those duties if required.
These US transfer Perry's will serve the ROCN well...but (unlike the local built Cheng Kung Perry FFGs) they will not be a strong anti-surface warfare vessel against other maritime powers who have their own strong anti-surface capable desttroyers, frigates or corvettes. That is, uinless the ROCN upgrades them and adds the ASuW missiles to them as well. Otherwise, the ROCN will have to rely on its missile boats, the Kang Ding FFGs, (and as stated) the local built Cheng Kung FFGs, or the Kee Lung DDGs for that.
I was actually thinking about China's increasingly capable air force. In a war situation the ROCN ships will face wave after wave of attacks from J-10's and J-11's armed with anti-ship missile's. And now the even more capable J-10B and J-16 are coming online as well. The ROCN ships in my view don't have enough air defence capabilities to handle such a saturation attack from the PLAAF and the PLANAF. And those attacks from planes will be combined with attacks from other PLAN ships like the Type 054A and Type 052C/D etc. And yes they will also be attacked by subs as well. The Taiwan Straits is only 140km wide and that's within range from both sides air defence and coastal defence assets. This means that ships and planes from both sides can be hit from land based assets not just sea and air. I think China's ballistic missile attacks will be aimed at land targets not the ships. And no doubt it will be aimed at those air defence and coastal defence assets.
