Equation
Lieutenant General
No ones going to sell Taiwan any ballistic missiles unless they want to risk losing good economic and trade relations with China, so ROC has to develop their own and their program is not very good.
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No ones going to sell Taiwan any ballistic missiles unless they want to risk losing good economic and trade relations with China, so ROC has to develop their own and their program is not very good.
Mr T
Senior Member
They're not ballistic missiles, but Taiwan already has the HF-IIE cruise missile, reportedly with road launchers. I'm not sure that it needs ballistic missiles.
thunderchief
Senior Member
If Taiwan wants to sit out and wait for USN to rescue them, Perry-class is waste of money . For a price of one Perry-class frigate they could build several missile boats which are better suited to brown-water operations around island. Or they could purchase SAM and ASM batteries .
To deter Vietnam or Philippines existing ships are more then enough , although I fail to see why they need to deter Vietnam, they are natural allies.
As for Japan, I don't think that Perry-class would deter them, but potential conflict with China will. In unlikely event of Japan vs Taiwan conflict, China would seize the moment to help "little brother" and decisively defeat Japan .
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
[video=youtube_share;U6cM58MFGCc]http://youtu.be/U6cM58MFGCc[/video]
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joshuatree
Captain
Again, you're taking the Perry class purchase and comparing to individual points instead of the sum which would really be a better measurement on the effectiveness of the purchase. Missile boats can delay till USN but it's not as suitable against Philippines or Vietnam down south in the Spratlys. They wouldn't have the endurance for extended deployment. Vietnam is no natural ally. Infact, the garrison on Taiping reports the Vietnamese probing their defenses out there with regular incursions. I already also said replacing the Knox(s) would be a good idea in terms of streamlining the fleet. Keeping a sizeable navy is still something Japan would need to think about. Japan really doesn't consult much with Taiwan such as enlarging the ADIZ back in 2010 or even negotiating a fishing agreement. The latter only happened because it didn't want China and Taiwan to start working together. There were 15+ odd talks that went nowhere, then the year of water cannon fights and joint CG exercises, all of a sudden, a fishing agreement was reached.
As much as folks say what country is willing to sell ballistic missiles, equally what country these days would risk fraying relations with China and sell new frigates?
I think HF-IIE doesn't have very great range to be considered a serious deterrent weapon of any kind.
Although the new cruise missile developed for the IDF may be a good contender, but of course the only challenge with that is... Well, the PLAAF.
Even the bazan class isn't cheap. And I think ordering a frigate with capabilities similar to 054A from any other nation that isn't china will also be quite expensive.
A perry class could do some ASW work. It is also smaller, so less of a target than say, what their kidd class DDGs will be (or indeed what a mini aegis ship will be)
Taiwan is of course buying frigates to maintain a capability that is multirole and not only aimed at china, that is a prudent decision.
Every scenario that the ROC military may face does not necessarily involve hostilities with china, and those scenarios must be prepared for as comprehensively as they prepare for china.
The second option at the moment and in the forseeable future seems like suicide. Especially considering most naval confrontation will take place in the strait (or even within multiple hundreds of km of China's coast) where china can rely on long range strike aircraft, AEWC, ISR planes and land based SAMs and ASHMs as very potent force multipliers.
So I see Taiwan pursuing both option 1 and option 3 simultaneously. Form a cost effective asymmetrical strategy, but they also need a semblance of an Air Force and a capable navy to pursue its interests in non china scenarios but also to give it some conventional maneuvering power in a conflict with china even if such a method may make such assets not very survivable. In that way, some frigates are a logical choice
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TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
Follow up, Sorry I was to busy to watch the vid It was passed to me.
anyway Note the model holding the Subgun is wearing multicam Gear. The gun it's self resembles a prototype Assault rifle they showed off last year, The gun also reminds me of the CZ Skorpion Evo 3 A1 and seems to wear a AR pistol grip and Eotech gunsight.
No, as I sated before, I do nt believe it is.
The ROCN planners are doing the best with the money and options they have.
They are building their own missile boats...and decent ones at that.
They do have their ownlocally built Perry's, but they are getting these for a lot cheaper than they could build new ones, and they are significantly more capable than the Knox class that these vessels will replace.
The Perry's are very decent ASW platforms. They are also very good patrol vessels. While they can be upgraded to provide better self defense anti-air wise, they were never meant to go up against saturation ASM attacks.
They will do a very good work in ASW, which the ROCN also needs, whether it is the mainland or anyone else they face that has any submarine capability.
With their single arm launchers and their CIWS, they will also be able to mount a good defense against single or light ASM attacks, or aircraft.
Their decision to add more of these and replace the older Knox with them is a good decision.
If they had more money and more options available to them, they could make better decisions. But they don't.
