Star Wars & Sc-Fi Talk

AssassinsMace · Mar 5, 2014

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Interesting. I never heard of this short before now. I remember before the internet I would tell people about the Star Wars Christmas special. Of course they didn't call it Christmas but that's what it was. Only one person I ever talk to about it remembered. Now everyone says they remember because now you can see it on the internet. George Lucas seems to like to hide things.

vesicles · Mar 5, 2014

TerraN_EmpirE said:
Well I think part of What is happening with the Transformers 4 is that the Some of the Fan's are a little worried that the Formula of the movie is being changed.
I mean look at the the Actors from the first three. They are the Same Characters. The First two movies had the same set of humans. Shia LaBeouf, Megan Fox, Josh Duhamel and John Turturro. Fox left Transformers 3 Which Left Shia Josh Duhamel and John Turturro.
Shia LaBeouf's Character is basically a more relatable JAr JAr. Sam Witwicky and all his Family are the Heroic Fail. I mean it's the loveable looser who thanks to his Alien Car ends up with the Uber Hottie when he should be getting a flushie.

Fox was the Uber Hottie until she was replaced with Rosie Huntington-Whiteley. There Formulaic Character was the same, the Perfect 10, With more going on upstairs than you think who it going to help save the day all the while looking great in a tight tank top.

Josh Duhamel, Plays the Commando, the Human Soldier who will give it all for God and Country. He's GI JOE's Duke. Duhamel could play in his own movie but here he's a supporting as the figure who Shia wants to become.

John Turturro is the Conspiracy nut. He is basicly the Adult Sam minus the girl. He's first the Agent who knows whats up but walks the lonely road. Presumably he could have gotten the Girl as a Younger man but He dedicated his whole to S7.

It's a formulaic movie and that was the Formula the Robots then filled in as there own interlaced story helping and hurting the humans.
Now however those Four are Gone. Mark Wahlberg is not Sam He's Closer in Formula to Josh Duhamel's Captain Lexington. He's the Action hero who can think. I keep expecting Mark Wahlberg to join The Expendables. his movies are Formulaic he is the Special forces soldier who everyone underestimates.

I hate Shia. He is like a chihuahua small and alway barking. So annoying. In the old movies, I would get a headache whenever he comes out. I like Wahlberg much more. He is calm and collected, the kind of guy you want to be with in time of crisis. His character actually exists in the cartoons, a human master mechanic, the Sparkplug. I feel that his character would take a much more important role than Shia's. Shia was pretty much a guy who happens to be lucky enough to hitch a ride because of what his grandfather found. And he doesn't even have the humility to appreciate that and complains all the time. Again, so annoying. Wahlberg, as a genius mechanic, will potentially contribute much more significantly and in a more meaningful way than Shia never could. I can't wait!

TerraN_EmpirE · Mar 5, 2014

Mirage, don't make me hurt you.
I have formulated a list as to why Star Wars is better than Star Trek

1. In the Star Wars Universe weapons are rarely, if ever, set on "stun".

Storm Troopers are the Worst Marksmen in the Universe. They can barely hit the Broadside of a Barn sized object. And Phasers Can Vaporize.

2. The empire could clean the floor with the Federation

Yet the Federation actually teaches It's personal to Aim. And Though They might get one or Two red Shirts, but statistically no three Red shirts Die the Same way. This means Storm Troopers are Screwed as they all Die the same way.

3. The Enterprise needs a huge engine room with an anti-matter unit and a crew of 20 just to go into warp -- The Millennium Falcon does the same thing with R2-D2 and a Wookie.

Yes but Enterprise has full defences, all the Falcon has is two sets of under powered quad blasters. Defiant got way more weapons just pointed backwards..

4. After resisting the Imperial torture droid and Darth Vader, Princess Leia still looked fresh -- After wimpy Cardassian starvation torture, Picard looked like hell.

A Torture Droid? He was Strung up suffered sleep deprivation, blasted with lights and deprived of food. Leia was there for what a few hours Picard was there for weeks.

5. Princess Leia in a gold bikini

Seven of Nine in a Cat Suit. T'pau in hot pants and a tank top.

6. Lightsabers, need I say more.

Klingons, the Biker Gang of the Galaxy.

7. Darth Vader could choke the entire Borg empire with one glance

Darth Only Ever Choked Losers in Imperial Uniforms, The Borg Queen Blew Up whole Cubes with a blink.

8. The emperor could make the Federation give them the Genesis Device with the Force

They would give it to him Right up his Death star.

9. There are no classes in diversity and sensitivity training in Star Wars

only in the Rebel Alliance... It's a Trap!

10. The Death Star doesn't care if a world is "M" class or not.

You blow up planets. We blow up Stars!

11. Star Wars tells a story, Star Trek tends to preach

JAR JAR!

12. Luke Skywalker is not obsessed with sleeping with every alien he encounters

Just his sister!

13. Picard pilots the Enterprise through asteroid belts at one-quarter impulse power --- Han Solo floors it.

BIG D is huge compared to the Falcon

14. Star Wars" brings us the future but with the gritty realism of the everyday.

Ahem "Long Long Ago in a Galaxy Far Far Way...." It's the Past Rebranded for Children's Consumption.

15. Star Trek is too sterile, the ship are so clean you can eat off the floors.

And you could not eat of the Death Stars? look at the Falcon She was squeeky clean.

16. The world of "Star Wars" delves deep into the spiritual realm with the Force

Hokey Religions Are no match for a good laser blaster kid.

17. Things in the "Star Wars" universe are not always black and white (or should I say blue and red).

There are all kinds of Grey in Trek

18. Jabba the Hutt would eat Harry Mudd for trying to cut in on his action.

Jabba would be Served on a platter by the Orions

19. I would rather have a "Clone Wars" on TV than the show "Enterprise."

Lame attempt at anime designed to Cash in.

20. The Federation would have to attempt to liberate any ship named "Slave I"

as would the USN if they encountered it.

21. Bonus round: there are no fighters in Star Trek

I am sorry But what are these? OH Fighters!

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AssassinsMace · Mar 5, 2014

Comparing Star Wars and Star Trek is like comparing apples and oranges to me. I like them both. Both have good things and bad ones too. I see one thing that Star Trek trumps over Star Wars. With the snap of a finger... the Q Continuum.

TerraN_EmpirE · Mar 5, 2014

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kwaigonegin · Mar 5, 2014

I was watching ESB rerun on FX last evening and just can't help but noticed the hundreds of plotholes in the movie LOL. I remember being absolutely amazed by the story, storyline and even the state of the art movie making back in the 80s.
Nevermind the scientifiic innacuracies but the plot doesn't even make sense LOL.
Don't get me wrong I still love the trilogy but I just won't look at it from an analytical standpoint even a tiny bit

Miragedriver · Mar 6, 2014

TerraN_EmpirE said:
Mirage, don't make me hurt you.
I have formulated a list as to why Star Wars is better than Star Trek

Storm Troopers are the Worst Marksmen in the Universe. They can barely hit the Broadside of a Barn sized object. And Phasers Can Vaporize.

Yet the Federation actually teaches It's personal to Aim. And Though They might get one or Two red Shirts, but statistically no three Red shirts Die the Same way. This means Storm Troopers are Screwed as they all Die the same way.

Yes but Enterprise has full defences, all the Falcon has is two sets of under powered quad blasters. Defiant got way more weapons just pointed backwards..

A Torture Droid? He was Strung up suffered sleep deprivation, blasted with lights and deprived of food. Leia was there for what a few hours Picard was there for weeks.

Seven of Nine in a Cat Suit. T'pau in hot pants and a tank top.

Klingons, the Biker Gang of the Galaxy.

Darth Only Ever Choked Losers in Imperial Uniforms, The Borg Queen Blew Up whole Cubes with a blink.

They would give it to him Right up his Death star.

only in the Rebel Alliance... It's a Trap!

You blow up planets. We blow up Stars!

JAR JAR!

Just his sister!

BIG D is huge compared to the Falcon

Ahem "Long Long Ago in a Galaxy Far Far Way...." It's the Past Rebranded for Children's Consumption.

And you could not eat of the Death Stars? look at the Falcon She was squeeky clean.

Hokey Religions Are no match for a good laser blaster kid.

There are all kinds of Grey in Trek

Jabba would be Served on a platter by the Orions

Lame attempt at anime designed to Cash in.

as would the USN if they encountered it.

I am sorry But what are these? OH Fighters!

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Great list Terran! I love these kind of lists. The best thing is that we can have more Sci-Fi movies to see from both universes!!!!!!!

kwaigonegin · Mar 6, 2014

Miragedriver said:
Great list Terran! I love these kind of lists. The best thing is that we can have more Sci-Fi movies to see from both universes!!!!!!!

One thing I never understood is why the storm troopers wear what they wear. From what I can see it doesn't offer any tactical advantage at all. All the suit does is it makes them clumsy, impedes movement of any kind and restrict vision. Maybe that's why they are such bad shots. How can you possibly aim with that giant helmet on. they offer no protection from blasters, no sensors of any kind, no protection against NBC or enviromental hazards, not an exoskeleton nothing LOL.

Jeff Head · Mar 6, 2014

kwaigonegin said:
One thing I never understood is why the storm troopers wear what they wear. From what I can see it doesn't offer any tactical advantage at all. All the suit does is it makes them clumsy, impedes movement of any kind and restrict vision. Maybe that's why they are such bad shots. How can you possibly aim with that giant helmet on. they offer no protection from blasters, no sensors of any kind, no protection against NBC or enviromental hazards, not an exoskeleton nothing LOL.

Hehehe...but in the 1970s they looked cool.

Player 0 · Mar 6, 2014

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Supposedly includes integrated systems like life support for vacuum of space, and integrated night vision.

Also supposed to provide stormtroopers with superior protection from environmental hazards and/or weapons fire, but that could just be retroactively applied via the EU without any consideration for the films, which is what Lucas has done before to encourage fans to make the Star Wars universe more awesome despite the limitations of the films.

If that's true it didn't show in the films, troopers didn't seem any better protected from small arms fire than the average rebel soldier as they both die from one or two shots to the torso

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