Should term limit for China's presidency remain the same, be extended, or eliminated?

quantumlight

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no point going back and forth, if you think Xi is great leader, thats fine, i can criticize him here, you can bashing trump or US here in US, ist all covered under 1st amendment. so why not bash Xi in china and see what happen. instead arguing back and forth.
First Amendment died when Twitter banned Trump and all the big tech companies in America conspired to collude and deplatformed a sitting president.

Read up on "third party doctrine" and section 230... in all but name the 1A died in America a long time ago
 

s002wjh

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You actually can. It's just ignorant of you to think that anyone in China who complains about the government is punished. Plenty of people have their petty complaints and nothing happens to them but just like all other countries, you can't attempt to subvert the government.

No thanks, poor recruitment trick. I don't complaint and bash things I don't have any problems with.
right tell that to the one got ban by wechat IN US cause he was criticizing Xi. if you said you can criticizing Xi, why not prove it by going to weibo and make fun of him. i like to know how long your account will keep open.
 

manqiangrexue

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no point going back and forth, if you think Xi is great leader, thats fine, i can criticize him here, you can bashing trump or US here in US, ist all covered under 1st amendment.
And I can debunk and discredit all your poorly-composed hanjian complaints here.
so why not bash Xi in china and see what happen. instead arguing back and forth.
You are DENSE, aren't you? LOL Answered twice in the last 2 posts:

"I don't find it funny to disrespect the person helming the rise of my nation. How about you eat some dirt then wash it down with toilet water for a laugh?"

"No thanks, poor recruitment trick. I don't complaint and bash things I don't have any problems with."
right tell that to the one got ban by wechat IN US cause he was criticizing Xi.
You don't believe my words, and I don't believe yours. Who knows what that nest of hanjian were saying/planning? Who knows if any of what you say is true?
if you said you can criticizing Xi, why not prove it by going to weibo and make fun of him. i like to know how long your account will keep open.
See 2 lines above.
really so i can't bashing trump or biden now ;) clearly ppl didt think so

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Quote from 2 posts above because you've got nothing new to say, only regurgitating defeated points o_O:

"Right, but you can't organize BLM protests though. So, are you familiar with the theory that the best way to create an illusion of free speech is to encourage open debate but limit the topics?"
 

voyager1

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really so i can't bashing trump or biden now ;) clearly ppl didt think so

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I think you have forgotten what the original freedom of speech was. While one of its components were as you said to be free to "bash trump or biden", IMO the biggest and more important part of was to instigate true/real political change (not fake ones like the past decades).

In the US the first part is increasingly eroded while the second is almost non-existent now.

You can bash whoever you want but I dont see any societal improvement in the US currently. While on the "dictator, autocrat Xi's China" (as you call him), there is continuous and credible change, for the better, happening at all parts of the country.

IMO the democracies of the world are in a desperate need to radically reform their systems, political AND economical.

You can deflect these points all you want but the West itself has realised it. The question is if they can change it and if they are allowed from the rich oligarchs
 

s002wjh

Junior Member
I think you have forgotten what the original freedom of speech was. While one of its components were as you said to be free to "bash trump or biden", IMO the biggest and more important part of was to instigate true/real political change (not fake ones like the past decades).

In the US the first part is increasingly eroded while the second is almost non-existent now.

You can bash whoever you want but I dont see any societal improvement in the US currently. While on the "dictator, autocrat Xi's China" (as you call him), there is continuous and credible change, for the better, happening at all parts of the country.

IMO the democracies of the world are in a desperate need to radically reform their systems, political AND economical.

You can deflect these points all you want but the West itself has realised it. The question is if they can change it and if they are allowed from the rich oligarchs
developed world have slow economy growth rate, this is true for most developed world. as for china economy, yes china done a good job. but political wise Xi has tighten its grip. also we were talking about corruption regarding XI's family member and term limit, so dont change the subject. do you support limitless term for chairman? do you belief all Xi's family are clean? are the topic we discuss (term limit & just opinion of corruption at the very top) allowed in weibo or other chinese social media?
 

s002wjh

Junior Member
And I can debunk and discredit all your poorly-composed hanjian complaints here.

You are DENSE, aren't you? LOL Answered twice in the last 2 posts:

"I don't find it funny to disrespect the person helming the rise of my nation. How about you eat some dirt then wash it down with toilet water for a laugh?"

"No thanks, poor recruitment trick. I don't complaint and bash things I don't have any problems with."

You don't believe my words, and I don't believe yours. Who knows what that nest of hanjian were saying/planning? Who knows if any of what you say is true?

See 2 lines above.

Quote from 2 posts above because you've got nothing new to say, only regurgitating defeated points o_O:

"Right, but you can't organize BLM protests though. So, are you familiar with the theory that the best way to create an illusion of free speech is to encourage open debate but limit the topics?"
tell you what rather than going back and forth on and on. find me about few chinese source from mainland(CCTV, globaltime) criticize Xi, then you prove your point. as for the corruption at the top, if you belief Xi and his friend/family are clean, thats fine, thats your opinion.
 

voyager1

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developed world have slow economy growth rate, this is true for most developed world. as for china economy, yes china done a good job
I wasn't only talking for economy I was also talking about societal and political changes. Whatever you are right that this is offtopic, so lets move on.


but political wise Xi has tighten its grip
Power didn't come freely, he had to pass his own baptisms of power. One was the trade war, and the other was covid handling (probably anti-corruption?)
All successful, thats why he is so much stronger now.

But anyway, I agree with you that "Xi has tightened his grip"


we were talking about corruption regarding XI's family member and term limit,
I dont know the details of the alleged corruption. However I would take everything the media write with a grain of salt (that includes Western AND Chinese media). This story is very complex and geopolitical games are being played here, so it is incredibly hard me for me as an outsider (not an insider elite) to know the truth (the whole truth, not one side of truth)

I will note though that the wealth could be intergenerational (from father, grandfather etc), or maybe his family was rich from the beginning (from other sources) or he was just collecting his salary for so long that he managed to gain wealth (not sure on that but dunno) OR there was corruption or whatever other reason.

In summury, I would say we just dont know the truth and it is impossible for simple people like us to uncover it.


do you support limitless term for chairman?
This is also a complex matter. I would say that for China to navigate this "extreme competition" (as Biden has called it) with the US, that Xi should get at least another term. People might have other opinions but thats my opinion currently.
Regarding being Chairman this also involves many things, but I would suggest to read the previous 2-3 pages to get some more analysis on this aspect (very complex)


do you belief all Xi's family are clean?
Refer to my previous explanation. In summary, I dont know, and I would certainly don't trust any media telling me if they are corrupt or not. Western and Chinese media are obviously biased on this.


are the topic we discuss (term limit & just opinion of corruption at the very top) allowed in weibo or other chinese social media?
Honestly, I dont know. I dont have weibo or other chinese social media so i dont know how they work and, how or if they censor things regarding Xi. I will leave this question to be answered by other posters who know more about it.
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
do you support limitless term for chairman? do you belief all Xi's family are clean? are the topic we discuss (term limit & just opinion of corruption at the very top) allowed in weibo or other chinese social media?
Subject has been discussed to death from the beginning. Go back and read. I believe that Xi is the cleanest politician of any major country and rushing to end his term does nothing good because there is no indication on whether his predecessor will be "cleaner" or "less clean" than him.
tell you what rather than going back and forth on and on.
You tell me what? LOL I don't accept.
find me about few chinese source from mainland(CCTV, globaltime) criticize Xi, then you prove your point. as for the corruption at the top, if you belief Xi and his friend/family are clean, thats fine, thats your opinion.
Criticize the person who leads China's anti-corruption campaign, military modernization, technological advancement drive, economic transformation and COVID response, all of which have been the most successful in the world? LOLOL You are really pulling out all the stops here to trick people into criticizing China, eh? Would it make you feel better if someone gave it to you so you can pretend for a moment you succeeded in creating more hanjian for the falun gong dream?
 

s002wjh

Junior Member
Subject has been discussed to death from the beginning. Go back and read. I believe that Xi is the cleanest politician of any major country and rushing to end his term does nothing good because there is no indication on whether his predecessor will be "cleaner" or "less clean" than him.

You tell me what? LOL I don't accept.

Criticize the person who leads China's anti-corruption campaign, military modernization, technological advancement drive, economic transformation and COVID response, all of which have been the most successful in the world? LOLOL You are really pulling out all the stops here to trick people into criticizing China, eh? Would it make you feel better if someone gave it to you so you can pretend for a moment you succeeded in creating more hanjian for the falun gong dream?
still waiting on chinese cctv article criticize Xi, unless you think he is flawless. what about hu jintao, jiang zemin, are they also flawless, cause i cannot find any article from cctv criticize those 3? maybe you could find it for me ? maybe like you said Xi, hu jintao or other top leaders, their friends and family just too clean, only the bottom one are corrupt? is this you are refer too.
 
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