Should term limit for China's presidency remain the same, be extended, or eliminated?

manqiangrexue said:

Foreign slander trying to discredit the Chinese leader. Totally worthless.

The official salary of the number one position in China combined with the earning capacity of his wife, who was a celebrity soprano singer, padded with decades of savings between them can't cover a kid going to Harvard for 4 years??

Also, China pays the tuitions of students to study at elite foreign schools under the promise that they return and work in China.

Pretty sure you didn't think this through.

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i trust that article than your words. those article are from way back 2012ish. also personal experience from family friend, two of my dads friend's wechat was banned 2019 & 2020, because one was criticizing Xi life long chairman while another make fun of him, both was in US at that time and asian american(and ppl wonder why trump want to ban wechat in US). never happen under hu jintao, Xi definitely tighten his power grip in china. if you dont belief it why not said some bad about him on wechat or weibo, better yet do that in china, oh wait you are in US, enjoy freedom of speech.
and you honestly belief all the top leader in china are clean like saint.? absolute power corrupts absolutely.

s002wjh said:

i trust that article than your words.

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I trust Chinese articles more than American articles. You trust foreign propaganda against your country; it explains a lot about your stance. I knew you were not some concerned patriot by the way you talk. Sounds like falun gong.

s002wjh said:

also personal experience from family friend, two of my dads friend's wechat was banned 2019 & 2020, because one was criticizing Xi life long chairman while another make fun of him, both was in US at that time and asian american

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Good. They deserve it. Or maybe I should just say that I don't trust your words... LOL

s002wjh said:

(and ppl wonder why trump want to ban wechat in US).

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Because the CIA has trouble intercepting messages in it but more so because Wechat Pay circumvented American financial control. What, you think because Trump loves free speech? LOLOL

s002wjh said:

never happen under hu jintao, Xi definitely tighten his power grip in china. if you dont belief it why not said some bad about him on wechat or weibo, better yet do that in china,

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I love China and don't do hanjian activity.

s002wjh said:

oh wait you are in US, enjoy freedom of speech.

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Ahaha, tell that to American protesters that get arrested, maced, abducted by unmarked vans, trampled by marching police and shot at. Doesn't sound like you live in the US; sounds like you live in Hong Kong fantasy version.

Watch Judas and the Black Messiah (2021). It's a story about how American politicians ordered the assassination of Fred Hampton because they were afraid that he could organize and lead African American protests. It's a good movie.

s002wjh said:

and you honestly belief all the top leader in china are clean like saint.?

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Saints don't run things; human people run things and to be powerful in China, you need to understand both the dark and light side of politics. But I honestly don't believe any kind of slander from the US against China; America is a desperate cornered animal at this point making up lies from thin air in every attempt to insult and discredit the foe it cannot fairly compete against.

manqiangrexue said:

I trust Chinese articles more than American articles. You trust foreign propaganda against your country; it explains a lot about your stance.

Good. They deserve it.

Because the CIA has trouble intercepting messages in it. What, you think because Trump loves free speech? LOLOL

Because I love my country and don't do hanjian activity.

Ahaha, tell that to American protesters that get arrested, maced and shot at. Doesn't sound like you live in the US; sounds like you live in Hong Kong fantasy version.

Saints don't run things; human people run things and to be powerful in China, you need to be understand both the dark and light side of politics. But I honestly don't believe any kind of slander from the US against China; America is a desperate cornered animal at this point making up lies from thin air in every attempt to insult and discredit the foe it cannot fairly compete against.

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hey at least if i dont like trump i can bashing him without been get into trouble. it sounds like you think the chinese top leader done a great jobs, and china is much better than US. So if thats true, why are you still here in US, i mean there are so many gun violence and homeless etc here in US, and anti-asian is all time high. at least american recognize this. so how about make fun about Xi abit just for laugh . oh i do admit china done a much better job on handling covid than US, and overall china is safer than US in term of violent crime. but it doesn't change the fact we are allow to criticize the president/government without repercussions. Now i do admit there are bias news in US, but come on you honestly belief the leader in china just so clean, dont have corruption etc. state media only say good things about the dear leader, there is no transparency, which is why most ppl have little trust in it. even the chinese my dad talk to have trust issue over state media.

s002wjh said:

hey at least if i dont like trump i can bashing him without been get into trouble. it sounds like you think the chinese top leader done a great jobs, and china is much better than US. So if thats true, why are you still here in US, i mean there are so many gun violence and homeless etc here in US, and anti-asian is all time high. at least american recognize this. so how about make fun about Xi abit just for laugh . oh i do admit china done a much better job on handling covid than US, and overall china is safer than US in term of violent crime. but it doesn't change the fact we are allow to criticize the president/government without repercussions. Now i do admit there are bias news in US, but come on you honestly belief the leader in china just so clean, dont have corruption etc. state media only say good things about the dear leader, there is no transparency, which is why most ppl have little trust in it. even the chinese my dad talk to have trust issue over state media.

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we are allow to criticize the president/government without repercussions

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Lmao it seems you have fallen to the trap as well. You can criticise as much as you want but the political parties will deflect it by focusing on identity politics instead of actualy change.

Feel free on thinking you are free while the rich people and their cronies (politicians) are robbing you blind.

I am sure that Bezos and his rich buddies surely care that you can criticise the government. If things go bad for them, they just start a new culture war (gays to trigger Republicans, Abortion/guns to trigger Democrats), and then the stupid people eat it up and forget economic problems lol

It warms my heart seeing people truly believe that they are living in a free society

s002wjh said:

hey at least if i dont like trump i can bashing him without been get into trouble.

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There are some things you can say in America and some that you don't, just like I showed. That's not actual freedom of speech.

s002wjh said:

it sounds like you think the chinese top leader done a great jobs, and china is much better than US. So if thats true, why are you still here in US, i mean there are so many gun violence and homeless etc here in US, and anti-aisian is all time high.

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How many times have you asked this question? Defaulting to personal information when you cannot defeat the argued points is weakness in debate strategy. People have privacy and don't need to give personal data and choices to debate global political trends. And this is on top of the fact that I have already told you that after my education is done here, I'm going to China. To be frank, COVID is a problem slowing things down.

s002wjh said:

at least american recognize this. so how about make fun about Xi abit just for laugh .

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That's what you're down to in this argument? LOLOL Be a hanjian a little for a laugh? LOLOL You think you're peddling drugs to a middle-schooler or something? I don't find it funny to disrespect the person helming the rise of my nation. How about you eat some dirt then wash it down with toilet water for a laugh?

s002wjh said:

oh i do admit china done a much better job on handling covid than US, and overall china safer than US in term of violent crime. but it doesn't change the fact we are allow to criticize the president/government without repercussions.

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Right, but you can't organize BLM protests though. So, are you familiar with the theory that the best way to create an illusion of free speech is to encourage open debate but limit the topics?

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Now i do admit there are bias news in US, but come on you honestly belief the leader in china just so clean, dont have corruption etc. state media only say good things about the dear leader, there is no transparency, which is why most ppl have little trust in it.

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I don't agree that most people have little trust in it. The Chinese government enjoys more support and trust from Chinese people than any American government because they are always split between warring political parties, especially as of late. Western media makes stories up from thin air. That's why people who analyze and think have no trust in it.

s002wjh said:

even the chinese my dad talk to have trust issue over state media.

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We know the kind of "Chinese" you hang around; that's like saying "even" falun gong and the Hong Kong terrorists don't trust Chinese media. LOL

There's also a big difference between treating media with healthy skepticism and actual distrust. I feel like a lot of Americans treat the first as the latter while glomming on to sources they trust without question.

s002wjh said:

i trust that article than your words. those article are from way back 2012ish. also personal experience from family friend, two of my dads friend's wechat was banned 2019 & 2020, because one was criticizing Xi life long chairman while another make fun of him, both was in US at that time and asian american(and ppl wonder why trump want to ban wechat in US). never happen under hu jintao, Xi definitely tighten his power grip in china. if you dont belief it why not said some bad about him on wechat or weibo, better yet do that in china, oh wait you are in US, enjoy freedom of speech.
and you honestly belief all the top leader in china are clean like saint.? absolute power corrupts absolutely.

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Wechat getting banned would be a relatively "light punishment" in China if you were to criticize Xi, reserved for 99.9% of normal people (TBF Western sites like Twitter or Reddit will also ban your account for political speech they disagree with). I know people in China who've also criticized Xi on Wechat, and got their accounts temporarily blocked or sometimes outright banned, but at the end that's the most that would happen (and they would create different accounts to circumvent bans, it's not that difficult ). There's also other platforms through which you can criticize the leadership (mainly fringe far-left internet forums).

There is one interesting case of the girl who spilled ink on Xi criticizing him for being a dictator, and livestreaming it on her social accounts. She's a nobody, and merely got sent to a mental hospital for a year, and is now employed in a public-sector job. She still complains about her life and politics on her Twitter account recently.

If you are a middle- to high-ranking government official, or high-status individual, I'd imagine the consequences would be much more severe. Possibly looking at jail time, like Ren Zhiqiang, a 2nd-generation red jailed on corruption accusations (he probably was corrupt, but his sharp criticism of Xi probably triggered his arrest). Most Chinese civiliians aren't really corrupt, so the government can't imprison you on such pretexts. However, it could mean the loss of your public-sector job, like when Tsinghua University professor Xu Zhangrun was fired for his criticsm of Xi's handling of the coronavirus.

If you are in the very high-echelon of Chinese government leaders, of course, you're free to criticise Xi, like when Jiang Zemin circulated a critical letter of Xi's handling of the trade war and regression of reforms among the leadership.

So generally, it seems like people with the most risk of retribution for anti-government criticism are those in the middle-tier of power or influence.

voyager1 said:

Lmao it seems you have fallen to the trap as well. You can criticise as much as you want but the political parties will deflect it by focusing on identity politics instead of actualy change.

Feel free on thinking you are free while the rich people and their cronies (politicians) are robbing you blind.

I am sure that Bezos and his rich buddies surely care that you can criticise the government. If things go bad for them, they just start a new culture war (gays to trigger Republicans, Abortion/guns to trigger Democrats), and then the stupid people eat it up and forget economic problems lol

It warms my heart seeing people truly believe that they are living in a free society

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can you bashing xi in china i doubt it. i mean go for it. Trump got into trouble over the DC riot, if Xi doing something whos is checking on him. as for the rich, you are right the rich getting richer. but most these CEO start from scratch, very few from well off family.

these are asian american living in US, got wechat ban, sure if they said that in china its under chinese law, but they were doing it in US.
as for Xi, yea he can crack down all the lower official but who is checking on him/his friends/his family on corruptions?

s002wjh said:

nope, can you bashing xi in china i doubt it.

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You actually can. It's just ignorant of you to think that anyone in China who complains about the government is punished. Plenty of people have their petty complaints and nothing happens to them but just like all other countries, you can't attempt to subvert the government.

s002wjh said:

i mean go for it.

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No thanks, poor recruitment trick. I don't complaint and bash things I don't have any problems with.

manqiangrexue said:

There are some things you can say in America and some that you don't, just like I showed. That's not actual freedom of speech.

How many times have you asked this question? Defaulting to personal information when you cannot defeat the argued points is weakness in debate strategy. People have privacy and don't need to give personal data and choices to debate global political trends. And this is on top of the fact that I have already told you that after my education is done here, I'm going to China. To be frank, COVID is a problem slowing things down.

That's what you're down to in this argument? LOLOL Be a hanjian a little for a laugh? LOLOL You think you're peddling drugs to a middle-schooler or something? I don't find it funny to disrespect the person helming the rise of my nation. How about you eat some dirt then wash it down with toilet water for a laugh?

Right, but you can't organize BLM protests though. So, are you familiar with the theory that the best way to create an illusion of free speech is to encourage open debate but limit the topics?

I don't agree that most people have little trust in it. The Chinese government enjoys more support and trust from Chinese people than any American government because they are always split between warring political parties, especially as of late. Western media makes stories up from thin air. That's why people who analyze and think have no trust in it.

We know the kind of "Chinese" you hang around; that's like saying "even" falun gong and the Hong Kong terrorists don't trust Chinese media. LOL

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no point going back and forth, if you think Xi is great leader, thats fine, i can criticize him here, you can bashing trump or US here in US, ist all covered under 1st amendment. so why not bash Xi in china and see what happen. instead arguing back and forth.