Shenyang FC-31 / J-31 Fighter Demonstrator

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NikeX

Banned Idiot
So far, you haven't provided an ounce of evidence to prove that China isn't capable of manufacturing composite materials. On the other hand, we have photographic evidence of China's extensively employing composite materials on production fighter, evidence like the picture below:
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As MiG says there are all sorts of materials. As far as you and I know China has not built a COMPLETELY composite aircraft where American aerospace has. Composite panels are one thing. A complete composite aircraft is another. Even Airbus is having trouble building their first complete composite aircraft

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Engineer

Major
Compare the F-35 to J-20? Notice the difference? Notice the serrated edges?
There are little difference, as both aircraft use an axis-symmetric nozzle. J-20's nozzles also have serrated edges. By your own logic, J-20 is a 100% stealth aircraft given you consider F-35 as a 100% stealth aircraft.
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The fact that you can see panel lines says otherwise. Be more observant.
As I have pointed out, the J-20 being black is one indication of RAM being applied, as opposite to prototypes of 3rd generation such as J-10A or J-11B have a yellow or green appearance. Panel lines are not indication of anything, as F-22 has plenty of them as shown in the picture below.
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NikeX

Banned Idiot
As I have pointed out, the J-20 being black is one indication of RAM being applied, as opposite to prototypes of 3rd generation such as J-10A or J-11B have a yellow or green appearance. Panel lines are not indication of anything, as F-22 has plenty of them as shown in the picture below.

And I guess these panel lines all over J-20 are indications of RAM coating? Give it up man. J-20 is evolving but not ready today. I know you are proud of the accomplishments but try and be realistic

Did it ever occur to you that the J-20 manufacturers PAINTED the aircraft black to make it appear it was coated with RAM?

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Note how the panels avoid straight lines as those cause radar glints as surface waves crawl over the skin of the aircraft
 
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MiG-29

Banned Idiot
I love the logic.

Before the J-20, the stealth fighter was only capable of the few masters. Because of the J-20, now anyone can make one but it's the second or the third or the fourth or (insert number of stealth fighters the people you have a problem have and add plus one) that is the hardest. Also notice all the stories now of the end of stealth? Now it's all about the 6th generation until China produces one then it'll be about the seventh generation, and so on and so on... Notice the pattern? But let's go back to the basic fact that if Chinese stealth technology is inferior, why would they be moving on to the next generation when this generation is enough? It's called desperate to go anywhere aka panic.

No it is not like you say i will give you the aircraft projects manned and unmanned that use stealth technology



USA
manned
F-22, F-35, B-2, F-117,


unmanned X-41, X-47

Russia
manned
PAKFA

unmanned
SKAT

China

J-20 and J-31

Japan

ATD-X

Europe
unmanned
Neuron
Barracuda
Taranis

Sweden

unmanned

SHARC UAV
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Semi-stealthy with considerable amounts of RAM but little faceting or plan forming some have Sducts

F-18E
J-10B
JF-17
Su-35
S-47
MiG 1.44
Eurofighter
Rafale
LCA

Systems that claim can down stealth aircraft
Russia
S-400
Europe
Cassidian Passive radar

To this list you might add South korea`s project and India`s programs


So Stealth technology is quiet common these days

France, Sweden and the US also have stealthy ships

So the reality is J-31 is only one of the many examples of stealth aircraft
 
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Engineer

Major
China follows an incremental developmental approach. America goes all out and reaches for the sky
In other words, the time it requires for the US to develop a stealth aircraft has no relation to China's schedule whatsoever. Furthermore, China's incremental approach to development means China launched the J-20 programme with full confidence of getting the entire package.

It means that they can design an airframe. The total package is coming later
There is no indication that production J-20 would lack total package in the first place.
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
I knew you would ask something like that so I posted those pictures for you to review. Notice the panel lines? Prominent panels like that are the hallmark of a plane with no RAM applied. Compare those J-20 pictures to the F-117 pictures

The F-117 was nearly completely covered with a radar absorbing material which is laborious and expensive to maintain. After each mission, maintenance specialists closely examine the aircraft's special coating to identify any needed repairs. If required, coatings were reapplied, allowed to cure, and re-inspected.

The coatings are a major part of stealth. Note the smoothness. Does this advance your understanding of stealth

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What the F117 used represents the first generation of operationally deployed RAM coatings. It gives a pretty, smooth finished because of its inefficiency. The RAM used on the F117 needed to be applied in relatively thick coats in order to achieve the desired effect, that accounts for the smoothness, as the thick coats obscures all details, but also meant it added a considerable amount of weight to the aircraft.

Modern RAM coatings can achieve the same if not better effect with far thinner coats, which is why can you see panels on the likes of the F22 and F35, as the picture Engineer already posted readily demonstrates.

It was reported that when the Chinese got examples of the RAM coating from the F117 down over Serbia, they were very surprised and disappointed because the RAM materials they were used to working with were considerable more advanced.

You even bringing up RAM on the prototypes is rather silly.

RAM is delicate and expensive to apply and maintain. There is little need or reason to apply it to prototypes in such early stages of flight testing.

If RAM is to be applied to an initial prototype, it would likely only be done on the static test airframe, as the coatings would last far longer since it won't be exposed to the wear and tear of regular maintenance, adjustments and fly testing, and also because they would be able to mount the prototype up for detailed RCS testing without having to dispute the flight testing.
 

Engineer

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And I guess these panel lines all over J-20 are indications of RAM coating? Give it up man. J-20 is evolving but not ready today. I know you are proud of the accomplishments but try and be realistic
Panel lines are not indicative of anything, as F-22 has plenty of them. Deal with that simple reality:
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Did it ever occur to you that the J-20 manufacturers PAINTED the aircraft black to make it appear it was coated with RAM?
There are plenty of explanations. J-20 may not have any paint at all, and black is the natural color of the RAM used for the skin. Another possibilities is that J-20 is painted, but with RAM. In any case, J-20 never appears in primer colors as F-22, F-35 or PAKFA did. This indicates a purpose to the black.


Note how the panels avoid straight lines as those cause radar glints as surface waves crawl over the skin of the aircraft
The J-20 employs serrated edge all over the aircraft. There is no contradiction to the basic principles in reducing RCS.
 
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