Shenyang FC-31 / J-31 Fighter Demonstrator

NikeX said:

As MiG says there are all sorts of materials. As far as you and I know China has not built a COMPLETELY composite aircraft where American aerospace has. Composite panels are one thing. A complete composite aircraft is another. Even Airbus is having trouble building their first complete composite aircraft

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This post you made is entirely meaningless, as it is irrelevant to the subject being discussed. No one claimed China is building an A350 equivalent.

The fact remains that Chiina can manufacture its own composite panels for production aircraft, as indicated by the picture of J-10B prototype. This shows your implication that China is unable to produce such material as incorrect. Below is another picture showing China's use of composite for another production aircraft:

Engineer said:

There are little difference, as both aircraft use an axis-symmetric nozzle. J-20's nozzles also have serrated edges. By your own logic, J-20 is a 100% stealth aircraft given you consider F-35 as a 100% stealth aircraft.

As I have pointed out, the J-20 being black is one indication of RAM being applied, as opposite to prototypes of 3rd generation such as J-10A or J-11B have a yellow or green appearance. Panel lines are not indication of anything, as F-22 has plenty of them as shown in the picture below.

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from this picture is pretty obvious the nozzles are not serrated like F-35`s nozzles where the nozzles feathers are really serrated

Engineer said:

This post you made is entirely meaningless, as it is irrelevant to the subject being discussed. No one claimed China is building an A350 equivalent.

The fact remains that Chiina can manufacture its own composite panels for production aircraft, as indicated by the picture of J-10B prototype. This shows your implication that China is unable to produce such material as incorrect. Below is another picture showing China's use of composite for another production aircraft:

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China can build composites and RAM that is obvious, the point of the news was the US arrested a man that was trying to export materials that can be used for stealth fighters and is used on F-22, that material might not be in the reach of China

MiG-29 said:

China can build composites and RAM that is obvious, the point of the news was the US arrested a man by trying to export materials that can be used for stealth fighters and is used on F-22, that material might not be in the reach of China

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US restricting technology export to China is not new, but is not indicative of anything. As I have pointed out several pages back, US banned the sale of vibration platforms above certain weight class to China. These platforms are used in the aerospace sector such as vibration and shock testing of satellites. China does not lack such technology, and has in fact exported bigger and better vibration platforms to the US. The source can be found .

虽然东菱振动早在２００６年就研制成功当时世界最大的３５吨级的振动平台，如今其自行研制成功的５０吨级振动平台又通过了国家权威计量机构的鉴定；但具讽刺意义的是美国对华禁售产品名单中９吨以上级的振动平台仍赫然在列。东菱振动董事长王孝忠说：“这反映了美国制定政策的滞后性。其实早在６年前，我们的１６吨级产品就向美国出口了。当时我们要求美国购买方签订‘最终用户声明’，保证该产品不用于军事等领域时，美方代表一边签字一边说‘这是我第一次在买方位置上签字。’”

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The quote says that a 35 tons class vibration platform was already made back in 2006. The latest development is a 50 tons class platform. There is a US ban in place that prohibits the sale of vibration platforms exceeding 9 tons class to China, but China already exported 16 tons class version to the US 6 years ago.

Engineer said:

US restricting technology export to China is not new, but is not indicative of anything. As I have pointed out several pages back, US banned the sale of vibration platforms above certain weight class to China. These platforms are used in the aerospace sector such as vibration and shock testing of satellites.

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that is an assumption, you could be right, but also you could be wrong.

The fact the guy is in custody and the US considers that material not exportable to China.

MiG-29 said:

that is an assumption, you could be right, but also you could be wrong.

The fact the guy is in custody and the US considers that material not exportable to China.

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The fact is that whether the item in question has export restriction cannot be used to say anything about what China can or cannot do.

Engineer said:

The fact is that whether the item in question has export restriction cannot be used to say anything about what China can or cannot do.

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you could be right, but i guess the guy was going to make bycicles with F-22 materials to make the first stealth bycicles in the world, i guess the guy has no customer in China, specially when the F-35 data was hacked, very likely the guy will make party hats with F-22 materials.

Obviously the F-35 files were hacked just for fun and J-31 looks like F-35 by pure coincidence.

Well the americans are not taking any chances this time, the guy is in jail now

MiG-29 said:

you could be right, but i guess the guy was going to make bycicles with F-22 materials to make the first stealth bycicles in the world, i guess the guy has no customer in China, specially when the F-35 data was hacked, very likely the guy will make party hats with F-22 materials.

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China's stealth aircraft prototypes still fly despite the guy's failed attempt at smuggling. This shows China stealth aircraft has no issue with its material as opposite to what the article and NikeX would like you to believe.

MiG-29 said:

Obviously the F-35 files were hacked just for fun and J-31 looks like F-35 by pure coincidence.

Well the americans are not taking any chances this time, the guy is in jail now

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Obviously, the hacking of F-35 files and the 310 having a F-22/F-35 appearance are to infuriate the Americans. And guess what? The Americans can do nothing about it.

Like I have suggested at another thread several months ago, China should market this plane to everybody. Some people believe having the F-22 means they are somehow superior to others. A bunch of third-world countries flying F-22 lookalikes would seriously hurt the imagined prestige of those people.

Engineer said:

China's stealth aircraft prototypes still fly despite the guy's failed attempt at smuggling. This shows China stealth aircraft has no issue with its material as the article and NikeX would like you to believe.


Obviously, the hacking of F-35 files and the 310 having a F-22/F-35 appearance are to infuriate the Americans. And guess what? The Americans can do nothing about it.

Like I have suggested at another thread several months ago, China should market this plane to everybody. Some people believe having the F-22 means they are somehow superior to others. A bunch of third-world countries flying F-22 lookalikes would seriously hurt the imagined prestige of those people.

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An undercover U.S. agent posing as a seller of carbon fiber later emailed Zhang, inviting him to the United States to meet about a possible deal. On Aug. 10, Zhang told the agent that he was the middleman for a customer that "needed a sample of the carbon fiber because it would be used for the test flight of a 'fighter plane' on Oct. 5, 2012," the complaint says.


The americans can do something, arrest people like this guy and design better aircraft, this is not the end of the world for the US airpace in fact it might be good, it will simply accelerate the design of their next generation fighter

MiG-29 said:

An undercover U.S. agent posing as a seller of carbon fiber later emailed Zhang, inviting him to the United States to meet about a possible deal. On Aug. 10, Zhang told the agent that he was the middleman for a customer that "needed a sample of the carbon fiber because it would be used for the test flight of a 'fighter plane' on Oct. 5, 2012," the complaint says.

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The americans can do something, arrest people like this guy and design better aircraft, this is not the end of the world for the US airpace in fact it might be good, it will simply accelerate the design of their next generation fighter

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Let's stop dancing around the big elephant in the room, aka racism.

In your mind China cannot do anything, and somehow if they did, the only logical conclusion is that they steal it from someone else.

Because the reason is that they are Chinese, and Chinese by default are inferior, and white people like you are the master of the world, you can do anything you want, you can invent anything you want.