Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) and Global South strategic cooperation

sunnymaxi

Captain
Registered Member
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

According to the document, people can stay up to 30 calendar days from the date of crossing the state border and a total of 90 calendar days in 180 calendar days in both countries.

For a more extended stay, tourists should apply for a visa before entering the state’s territory.

According to Adil Kaukenov, chief expert of Kazakhstan Institute for Strategic Studies (KazISS), Chinese citizens were eligible to stay in Kazakhstan without a visa for 14 days since June 2022, while Kazakhstan’s citizens had to get a Chinese visa.

“This is a delightful step in response from China. This will dramatically increase the flexibility of Kazakh business and its ability to provide not only local but also the Central Asian, Eurasian, and Chinese markets with the necessary goods. This will also provide more investment opportunities,” he wrote on his Facebook page on April 13.

Kaukenov said improving infrastructure at the border is crucial to facilitate Kazakh-Chinese cooperation.

He expressed hope that other countries with whom Kazakhstan has introduced a visa-free regime unilaterally, but which retained visa requirements for Kazakhstan, including European Union countries, Japan, India, and the United States, will follow China’s example.
 

tphuang

Lieutenant General
Staff member
Super Moderator
VIP Professional
Registered Member
Here is the thing, India will not become stronger. China offered low cost infrastructure program to India that is immensely helpful to India but they still rejected it. It is not for lack of proper incentives. Countries like this will not grow stronger. They will collapse under their hubris and the economic trend reflect this. All the GDP gain they earn goes to the elites only, or is made up entirely. The comprehensive national power is going down. India is the biggest scam of this century and I have yet to see one investor go in and come up on top. 2015 India could still call itself a developing emerging power, but current India is a terminal case. Just make sure they won't drag us with them in a jealous fit.
You see India as a backward country that will no go anywhere. I see a country that will soon be the 3rd largest economy in the world. I don't see why India should accept being beneath China. And even aside from what you think of India, it's still in China's interest to have better relationship with India

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

According to the document, people can stay up to 30 calendar days from the date of crossing the state border and a total of 90 calendar days in 180 calendar days in both countries.

For a more extended stay, tourists should apply for a visa before entering the state’s territory.

According to Adil Kaukenov, chief expert of Kazakhstan Institute for Strategic Studies (KazISS), Chinese citizens were eligible to stay in Kazakhstan without a visa for 14 days since June 2022, while Kazakhstan’s citizens had to get a Chinese visa.

“This is a delightful step in response from China. This will dramatically increase the flexibility of Kazakh business and its ability to provide not only local but also the Central Asian, Eurasian, and Chinese markets with the necessary goods. This will also provide more investment opportunities,” he wrote on his Facebook page on April 13.

Kaukenov said improving infrastructure at the border is crucial to facilitate Kazakh-Chinese cooperation.

He expressed hope that other countries with whom Kazakhstan has introduced a visa-free regime unilaterally, but which retained visa requirements for Kazakhstan, including European Union countries, Japan, India, and the United States, will follow China’s example.
This is good stuff. I think China's relationship with central Asia needs to be rock solid and it appears to be headed in that direction. Only when central asian countries start seeing China as the tech/innovation hub of the world, will they be honored to be under China's influence. And that will happen as more Central Asians visit, work and study in China.

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
Kazakhstan itself is large in area and very important location for China connecting to Russia and Europe
 

tphuang

Lieutenant General
Staff member
Super Moderator
VIP Professional
Registered Member
see, I think China has to accept a stronger India long term. They are never going to be bffs, but India fundamentally is also against the collective west meddling. There are some common grounds there that can be negotiated.

Anyhow, I was expecting more to come out, but maybe some Huawei or BYD deal will be announced later
so far, major one here seems to be satellite manufacturing
More on this. Even if Brazil doesn't get everything it wants (Embraer order and BYD signing) right this visit, it should happen soon after.
This comparison of what Brazil got from China vs America is quite stark. Basically, America either has nothing to offer or don't want to offer the few leading area it has to a non-Western country. China has EVs, consumer electronics, semiconductors, clean energy, ICT & satellite to offer

Apparently also medical research, they can design drugs that help Latin America rather than just Western countries.
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

And yes, China has semiconductor tech to offer to Brazil. I'm entirely in favor of this
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

This visit is a big deal.
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
let's hope this is a strategic long last friendship
Brazil and China need to work together so that the relationship is not merely one of commercial interest, he added.
hope this gets changed soon
China committed to backing clean energy and green hydrogen production in Brazil, but there was no agreement on a bilateral green investment fund that Brazil was hoping would finance and subsidize the development of renewable energy.
Officials said Brazil is open to the installation of a Chinese semiconductor factory in Brazil and is interested in developing the technology in cooperation with China.

Lula said in public remarks in Beijing that his Huawei visit was “a demonstration that we want to tell the world we don’t have prejudices in our relations with the Chinese.”
“No one will prohibit Brazil from improving its relationship with China,” he added.
yes more Chinese technology and Huawei tech is good
 

TK3600

Major
Registered Member
More on this. Even if Brazil doesn't get everything it wants (Embraer order and BYD signing) right this visit, it should happen soon after.
This comparison of what Brazil got from China vs America is quite stark. Basically, America either has nothing to offer or don't want to offer the few leading area it has to a non-Western country. China has EVs, consumer electronics, semiconductors, clean energy, ICT & satellite to offer

Apparently also medical research, they can design drugs that help Latin America rather than just Western countries.
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

And yes, China has semiconductor tech to offer to Brazil. I'm entirely in favor of this
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

This visit is a big deal.
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
let's hope this is a strategic long last friendship

hope this gets changed soon


yes more Chinese technology and Huawei tech is good
Sad part is it is not a domination. China view India as equal. When have China attempted to dominate Brazil for example? That is a strange accusation to make.

The door is always open to India. It is not for lack of trying. India can come in whenever they like.
 

tphuang

Lieutenant General
Staff member
Super Moderator
VIP Professional
Registered Member
Despite western countries turning negative toward China, rest of the world is turning sharply toward China due to BRI and other things. Things are going well here. Guess what, keep building stuff people can use is what helps your reputation

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
it's not easy to deal with the Taliban, but let's hope it at least gets peaceful enough in Afghanistan for Chinese investment to be put in action

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
China-Laos passenger railway to start service. that's good to see

also keep in mind that Brazil has a lot of mineral resources, the 3rd largest rare earths reserve in the world. Would be good to work with Brazil to make use of that.
 

Minm

Junior Member
Registered Member
See that's the problem. I vastly disagree with most of this forum on how China should treat India. If there is anything this past year has taught us, India is not part of the cool kid club and it knows that. In places like multi-polar world and de-dollarization, India and China have a lot of mutual interest.
What's wrong with hoping for India to collapse into many Pakistan sized entities? China has existed in roughly its current shape for millennia. India hasn't. Is the Republic of India here to stay?

India is always going to be a problem. They will take America's side just to spite China. Best to try to keep the problem as small as possible and more manageable.
 

Overbom

Brigadier
Registered Member
And yes, China has semiconductor tech to offer to Brazil. I'm entirely in favor of this
My views about exporting semiconductor tech should be well known by now. No semi equipment tech should be exported at all, none, zich, nada!

In the modern world, semiconductors are like oil. The American Empire basically controls a digital OPEC by now (well, until 2025-2030). This is a hugely important tool that China shouldn't share with anyone, we are basically talking about a nuclear-tech/economic class strategic weapon.

However, if we talk about building fabs in Brazil with Chinese semi equipment, no problem! If its about sharing some tech with Brazil on old node sizes, also no problem!

You can be generous when possible to advance your interests, but you should firmly keep the bottom line. Semiconductors equipment tech should absolutely not be allowed to be exported to any country, under any reason
 
Last edited:

tphuang

Lieutenant General
Staff member
Super Moderator
VIP Professional
Registered Member
My views about exporting semiconductor tech should be well known by now. No semi equipment tech should be exported at all, none, zich, nada!

In the modern world, semiconductors are like oil. The American Empire basically controls a digital OPEC by now (well, until 2025-2030). This is a hugely important tool that China shouldn't share with anyone, we are basically talking about a nuclear-tech/economic class strategic weapon.

However, if we talk about building fabs in Brazil with Chinese semi equipment, no problem! If its about sharing some tech with Brazil on old node sizes, also no problem!

You can be generous when possible to advance your interests, but you should firmly keep the bottom line. Semiconductors equipment tech should absolutely not be allowed to be exported to any country, under any reason
hmm, semiconductor = oil is just something that natsec nuts came up with. Nothing is like oil. By the time China really gets into semiconductors, it will be cheap and abundant like everything else China touches.

Don't worry about it, China won't build anything other than mature node in Brazil. most countries just want mature nodes locally to help their domestic industries. You don't need 7nm process for that.
 

Overbom

Brigadier
Registered Member
hmm, semiconductor = oil is just something that natsec nuts came up with. Nothing is like oil. By the time China really gets into semiconductors, it will be cheap and abundant like everything else China touches.
Semiconductors are pretty much the oil for the digital economy. But I should had been more clear though, semiconductor equipment tech and the subsequent modern nodes are the key control nodes here. Location of IC production is also important of course

Don't worry about it, China won't build anything other than mature node in Brazil. most countries just want mature nodes locally to help their domestic industries. You don't need 7nm process for that.
I am ok with mature chip production in Brazil. My bottom line is cutting edge node and semi equipment tech, anything else is negotiable.

Brazilian policy makers are also aware of the importance of having domestic IC production so China could easily get a lot of benefits by trading some IC mature node production to them.
 

ZeEa5KPul

Colonel
Registered Member
Here is the thing, India will not become stronger. China offered low cost infrastructure program to India that is immensely helpful to India but they still rejected it. It is not for lack of proper incentives. Countries like this will not grow stronger. They will collapse under their hubris and the economic trend reflect this. All the GDP gain they earn goes to the elites only, or is made up entirely. The comprehensive national power is going down. India is the biggest scam of this century and I have yet to see one investor go in and come up on top. 2015 India could still call itself a developing emerging power, but current India is a terminal case. Just make sure they won't drag us with them in a jealous fit.
Good post. However, I would disagree with 2015 India calling itself an emerging power. India of 2015 is the same as India of 1915 and will be the same as India of 2115: a basket case.

Broke: Because India has a large population, it will automatically have a large economy.

Woke: There are several crucial structural factors that ensure India will consistently underperform - poor and irreformable governance, a caste system prohibiting full economic participation, a multiplicity of mutually unintelligible dialects and languages, strong regionalism and autonomy, lack of education and human development, democracy preventing long-term planning, pseudo-socialist laws preventing markets from functioning, perverse incentives throughout the economy, lack of government capacity to build infrastructure,...

Bespoke: There's no such thing as India.

As for destructive jealous fits, the problem on that front is from the US. Once China overcomes that - as I'm confident it will - handling anything India can muster is a triviality.
 
Top