Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) and Global South strategic cooperation

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Given what has happened this week, I wouldn't be surprised by news of Saudi applying to join SCO, but I haven't seen it anywhere yet
If Saudis join SCO, then they are willing to be on the record that they are in the China camp. Then, I think Petroyuan is a foregone conclusion.

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RIYADH (Reuters) - Saudi Arabia’s cabinet approved on Wednesday a decision to join the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, as Riyadh builds a long-term partnership with China despite U.S. security concerns.
Saudi Arabia has approved a memorandum on granting the kingdom the status of a dialogue partner in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO), state news agency SPA said.
Joining the SCO was discussed during a visit by Chinese President Xi Jinping to Saudi Arabia last December, sources have told Reuters.

Dialogue partner status will be a first step within the organisation before granting the kingdom full membership in the mid-term, they said.
 

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Joining the SCO is part of Saudi Arabia’s efforts to build a long-term partnership with China, its largest trading partner. In recent years, the two countries have increased economic co-operation, with Saudi Arabia seeking to diversify its economy away from oil and gas by investing in Chinese technology and infrastructure projects.

In August this year, SCO countries plan to hold a joint “counter-terrorism exercise” in Russia’s Chelyabinsk region. The exercise is part of the SCO’s efforts to promote regional security and co-operation.
There is a security part of SCO that's not in BRICS. countries like Saudi & Egypt that seeks to join SCO is looking to have closer security relationship with China. I don't think this can be understated.

I wonder if normalizing relationship with Iran is part of the condition for Saudis to joining SCO. That would be interesting. I don't think it really matters to Saudi rulers if they end up having relationship with Iran or Israel. It seems like they can't do both. So when it picked Iran, it was a clear move to get closer to China's vision of Middle East than America' vision (which is entirely Israel centric).
 

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There is a security part of SCO that's not in BRICS. countries like Saudi & Egypt that seeks to join SCO is looking to have closer security relationship with China. I don't think this can be understated.

I wonder if normalizing relationship with Iran is part of the condition for Saudis to joining SCO. That would be interesting. I don't think it really matters to Saudi rulers if they end up having relationship with Iran or Israel. It seems like they can't do both. So when it picked Iran, it was a clear move to get closer to China's vision of Middle East than America' vision (which is entirely Israel centric).
I am sure the SCO is playing a major role in the peace process. Saudi can’t join without Irans permission, so Saudi has an incentive for peace.

By the way, the same thing happened with Turkmenistan, Iran needed their permission to join, so Iran had to make peace with Turkmenistan.

Next it will happen with Israel. Israel will need the permission of Iran and Saudi to join, which will incentivize Israel to make peace.
 

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I am sure the SCO is playing a major role in the peace process. Saudi can’t join without Irans permission, so Saudi has an incentive for peace.

By the way, the same thing happened with Turkmenistan, Iran needed their permission to join, so Iran had to make peace with Turkmenistan.

Next it will happen with Israel. Israel will need the permission of Iran and Saudi to join, which will incentivize Israel to make peace.
As I remembered, Turkmenistan is not in SCO
 

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There is a security part of SCO that's not in BRICS. countries like Saudi & Egypt that seeks to join SCO is looking to have closer security relationship with China. I don't think this can be understated.

I wonder if normalizing relationship with Iran is part of the condition for Saudis to joining SCO. That would be interesting. I don't think it really matters to Saudi rulers if they end up having relationship with Iran or Israel. It seems like they can't do both. So when it picked Iran, it was a clear move to get closer to China's vision of Middle East than America' vision (which is entirely Israel centric).

I think SCO definitely prefers Saudi Arabia joining in some capacity when Iran joins, like how India joined at the same time as Pakistan. It lets SCO avoid taking sides in regional rivalries, and therefore allows SCO to function better as a counterweight to US-dominated multilateral organizations.
 

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As I remembered, Turkmenistan is not in SCO
Yes, I mean Tajikistan, Iran signed a lot of deals with them just before joining and there had been quite a bit of animosity between then previously I believe.

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Next, we should see Saudi making big investments in Iran.
 

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There is a security part of SCO that's not in BRICS. countries like Saudi & Egypt that seeks to join SCO is looking to have closer security relationship with China. I don't think this can be understated.

I wonder if normalizing relationship with Iran is part of the condition for Saudis to joining SCO. That would be interesting. I don't think it really matters to Saudi rulers if they end up having relationship with Iran or Israel. It seems like they can't do both. So when it picked Iran, it was a clear move to get closer to China's vision of Middle East than America' vision (which is entirely Israel centric).
I am sure it is. SCO has the clause that members can not be enemies, Iran is a member already (procedure ongoing), the only way SA can join SCO is normalization with Iran. This is Chinese balancing, inviting both, but not prioritizing one over the other, whoever joins first will be a pushing to the later one to join.

SA doesn't have to give up Israel either. SCO isn't against Israel, in fact China has tried to get closer to Israel only to be sabotaged by US. Iran is not really against Israel either. Israel is just a punch-bag by Iran to rally support from Muslim in the competition with SA. With that competition decreasing, there is lesser need for Iran to punch Israel. China did the same before as Iran regarding Israel, but after Deng Xiaoping took power, China recognized Israel.

SA joining SCO is necessity to its strategy in de-dollariztion by moving its wealth (assets) to China. Investing in China must be accompanied by security protection against US sabotage.

If some day in the future, Israel has to find a new security guarantee, it might do the same as SA is doing today including joining SCO. It would take some time, but what else can be more safe for Israel if it is officially accepted by SA and Iran as partners?
 

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Yes, I mean Tajikistan, Iran signed a lot of deals with them just before joining and there had been quite a bit of animosity between then previously I believe.

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I don't think one can make the connection between signing many deals and Tajikistan "blocking Iran". The two aren't even bordering one aother to be at odd.

The two are both Iranian speaking countries, which makes the deals look more like deepening already good relationship than mending conflicts.
 
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There is a security part of SCO that's not in BRICS. countries like Saudi & Egypt that seeks to join SCO is looking to have closer security relationship with China. I don't think this can be understated.

I wonder if normalizing relationship with Iran is part of the condition for Saudis to joining SCO. That would be interesting. I don't think it really matters to Saudi rulers if they end up having relationship with Iran or Israel. It seems like they can't do both. So when it picked Iran, it was a clear move to get closer to China's vision of Middle East than America' vision (which is entirely Israel centric).
Just a correction of the article. The title "Saudi Arabia Confirms It Has Joined The Shanghai Co-operation Organisation" is wrong.

SA cabinet has decided to join SCO by applying for full membership from dialog partner.
 
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