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Santamaria

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This is discussed in c919 thread that western products used are mostly made in China. It is impossible to pull out by force. One it is illegal. 2nd if they insist despite illegal, then state can seize the asset and keep working. GE engine is not, but that one should be sanction proof. Would be dumb to void contract when cj1000 coming 1 year later.
The question in aeronautic industry is the next. Every change you do needs to be certify with many test.
Even if components are made in China, if they are joint ventures for sure some pieces of the components made in China come from outside, from the companies participating in the Joint Venture.
Imagine for example that the APU is made in China, by joint venture with France. Maybe 80% of the components and the APU it self is done in China but 20% will come from France.
If you stop receiving that 20% you need to create a similar part, and then certify it.
This can takes several years. From 2 to 5 or even more if we talk of engines.

I have no actual data from the pieces that made COMAC. Maybe China achieved to force western companies to manufacture literally everything in China, but I doubt it.
 

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China BRI investment in Indonesia is just begining to mature and already
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This Monday, the prime minister said Indonesia had increased its share of the global nickel market by
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The global price has dived from a high of US$50,000 in 2022 to just
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per tonne on Monday in response to a huge increase in supply from Indonesia, much of it from Chinese-owned and operated mines.

It seems the Albanese government has been caught almost completely flat-footed:
On Monday (February 19), Albanese said he was working on a larger response.
The prime minister said the decision wouldn’t be quick. He didn’t want a response that lasted “a day or two.”
Australia is attempting to establish alternative processing chains, entering into
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with India, Japan, Korea, the United States and the United Kingdom.

But such attempts run the risk of strategic responses in the form of export bans on processed commodities (China has previously imposed bans on the export of
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) and moves to create oversupplies.

The success of these Chinese infrastructure investments sends a strong signal to Indonesia's upcoming new leadership and the rest of ASEAN. China is also going to be by far Indonesia's biggest nickel customer going forward. Australia will, as usual, suffer for their lack of foresight, and Australian-Indonesian trade relations will worsen.
 
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China BRI investment in Indonesia is just begining to mature and already
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It seems the Albanese government has been caught almost completely flat-footed:





The success of these Chinese infrastructure investments sends a strong signal to Indonesia's upcoming new leadership and the rest of ASEAN. China is also going to be by far Indonesia's biggest nickel customer going forward. Australia will, as usual, suffer for their lack of foresight, and Australian-Indonesian trade relations will worsen.
If I were right wing Australian government, I would bash Indonesia instead of china. Too bad right wing Australia has no say about it and will keep bashing china instead.
 

taxiya

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The question in aeronautic industry is the next. Every change you do needs to be certify with many test.
Even if components are made in China, if they are joint ventures for sure some pieces of the components made in China come from outside, from the companies participating in the Joint Venture.
Imagine for example that the APU is made in China, by joint venture with France. Maybe 80% of the components and the APU it self is done in China but 20% will come from France.
If you stop receiving that 20% you need to create a similar part, and then certify it.
This can takes several years. From 2 to 5 or even more if we talk of engines.
You misunderstand aircraft certification. The certification is to the aircraft as a whole, NOT related to components UNLESS changing that component changes the performance and flight characteristics. Also certification of C919 is conducted by CAAC, so it is purely based on technical merit, no political influence from foreigning countries.

Engine isn't necessarily taking longer time than anything else. Certification is a procedure that manufacturer provides data from their mandated tests to the authority for review. The authority is not going to re-run thoses tests somewhere else on their own test rig. Those tests for CJ-1000 are being conducted by AECC and observed by CAAC as we speak. When AECC has successfully completed the tests, it is only paper work of few months.

Certification process is parallel work with later phase of development (robustness and endurance tests).

I have no actual data from the pieces that made COMAC. Maybe China achieved to force western companies to manufacture literally everything in China, but I doubt it.
Very likely China did not do that "everything" because there is no such need. Once again, it is the aircraft to be certified not the component. A bad example is Boeing 737 MAX, its change of engine location relative to the wing changed flying characteristics that warrent re-certification as a new type, but Boeing "compansated the change" with MCAS and FAA accepted that "no change in flying characteristics". It is a cheating and I believe CAAC won't do the same. But the example does tell you that certification of a type is NOT related to components, not in protocol and procedure.
 
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for CPEC, looks like China/Pakistan set to sign loan agreement on ML-1, maybe they can begin the work soon

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Gwadar airport will start service in August. So delayed, but not that badly

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a few more complete
china/Pakistan friend hospital
5 MGD desalination plant
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Another another 1.2 MGD desalination plant earlier
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so some of these projects around Gwadar has finally finished. Can't really do much there until infrastructure improves

An update on CPEC project progress after late January Meeting. Any idea on who the third-party mentioned on this article means? It could only be either Iran or Afghanistan. More likely Iran perhaps.


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To jointly promote the development of the CPEC, China and Pakistan held the Fourth Meeting of the CPEC Joint Working Group on International Cooperation and Coordination in Islamabad in late January.

The next phase of CPEC will be advanced in a multi-prong fashion, with progress in connectivity, industrialization and agriculture, Pakistani Ambassador to China Khalil-ur-Rahman Hashmi told the Global Times in a recent interview. Projects including the optimization of the ML-1 (Mainline-1) railway project and the realignment of the Karakoram Highway (KKH) are expected to see concrete progress, the envoy said.

Present at the joint working group meeting, Hashmi revealed that both sides expressed satisfaction at the pace of progress that is being achieved on CPEC as a whole and Pakistan and China welcome the third-party participation in line with CPEC's spirit of economic collaboration, shared prosperity and shared gains.

Both sides have agreed to extend the CPEC into third parties,
the ambassador said, noting that other workable areas could include mining, agriculture and information technology. The special economic zone can be a platform through which the third-party investment could come in, said the envoy, noting that more efforts will be made to ensure the security and safety of Chinese personnel and projects.
 

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An update on CPEC project progress after late January Meeting. Any idea on who the third-party mentioned on this article means? It could only be either Iran or Afghanistan. More likely Iran perhaps.


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I think Afghanistan is the one most mentioned here but Iran would make sense too. The rationale is using the link between China and Pakistan to transport metals from Iran and Afghanistan in China.
 
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