Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) and Global South strategic cooperation

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The Bering Strait (between Russia's Kamchatka and US' Alaska) and Soya Strait (between Russia's Sakhalin and Japan's Hokkaido) could still be a significant problem, assuming that Vladivostok can be used as destination port to unload oil before transporting them to neighbouring Heilongjiang.

Of course, for this to happen would require Russia to:
1 - Be neutral in case of China-US conflict, and
2 - Have a lot of Russian-flagged oil and gas tankers at their disposal.

If the destination port is in China, then there's the Korea Strait or the Miyako Strait, which is definitely a big no-no.

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I don’t understand why China/Russia haven’t sorted out a land-based pipeline between them yet, and cut out all these straits.

It’s the sort of project that both of them (but particularly China) would benefit from. Surely it should be something they just throw money at?

The other route for China to get oil is via a Pakistan-Iran corridor, which, to be fair, they are funding, but not at the pace I’d expect for a national security interest.

A large fuel storage terminal will be part of the project. According to Xue, the agreement envisages the construction of a terminal for storage and transportation of hazardous and non-hazardous goods, such as liquefied natural gas (LNG), liquefied petroleum gas (LPG), aviation fuel, helium, and other technological goods. The estimated cost of the project will be between ¥4.3 to ¥5 billion (₽58 to 72 billion, or US$600 and US$700 million), with the launch of the cargo terminal scheduled for 2027.

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Looks like they will be putting together an energy hub for many hydrocarbon products for trade by 2027.

At China's current pace of electrification, it problem doesn't need that much diesel or gasoline after 2030

I wonder if this stopped the entire big deal Biden admin/Sullivan planned for Saudi Arabia.


so with stuff like this, I wonder when Saudi arabia will eventually get fully tired with this "pick a side" position

on polar sea route. just a primer on why America is having such a tough time to build icebreakers. Which should give china/Russia plenty of advantage up there

Luke Warmwar said:

I don’t understand why China/Russia haven’t sorted out a land-based pipeline between them yet, and cut out all these straits.

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I guess you never heard of ESPO oil pipeline.



The oil in question being talked about being shipped via the NSR is shipments of either Urals or Yamal oil. This is oil which used to be sold to Europe and is now being sold to China by boat. So no pipeline for that exists yet.

This is interesting. I do think the entire India/Canada row has other factors at play, especially how much intelligence US shared with Canada in this case and appear now to have sided with Canada. Maybe some people in intelligent are trying to send tough love message to India.

Keep this in mind that China or anyone else on this thread should never expect India to act in China's interest. But if India feels its interest is truly to stay more balanced bw China/Russia & Five Eyes, then that's actually a good thing for China.

I will say this, after this happened, there are all sort of angers online in Canada toward Indians. And they are the sort of stuff I read back in 2018 with Meng Wanzhou's case. Instead of the usual comment, it was all about Chinese people taking over homes in Canada and taking over Canada from "Canadians". Now, the hate is toward Indians. So, I feel that both Chinese & Indians face serious racial discrimination from Westerners.

Is that enough to keep India in a more balanced role? Maybe. Does it really matter? It's hard to say. But an India that's a little more committed to spreading BRICS is a good thing.

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Looks like they will be putting together an energy hub for many hydrocarbon products for trade by 2027.

At China's current pace of electrification, it problem doesn't need that much diesel or gasoline after 2030

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Diesel for sale in yuan after 2030?

i see Assad and his wife are getting flowered with attention everywhere they go in China during the Asian games. Kuwait crown prince also visiting China and signing many agreements

now this
Looks like Saudis are totally blowing up US efforts to pull them together with Israel. Great going for China

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i see Assad and his wife are getting flowered with attention everywhere they go in China during the Asian games. Kuwait crown prince also visiting China and signing many agreements

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Looks like Saudis are totally blowing up US efforts to pull them together with Israel. Great going for China

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I am not so sure. US might just be desperate enough to officially recognize Palestine to score election point. At that point Israel might actually normalize with Saudi Arabia. Then SA might not need China anymore.

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US might just be desperate enough to officially recognize Palestine to score election point.

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A fleet of nine trucks dispatched by China, Mongolia, and Russia departed from Urumqi, northwest China's Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region, on Sept. 22, proceeding through Mongolia and Russia, and ultimately arrived in Novosibirsk, Russia's third-largest city.

The new route is the second international road transport channel connecting China, Mongolia, and Russia, following the Asia Highway 3.