Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) and Global South strategic cooperation

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stop writing stuff like this.

Even the China has encouraged Turkey to apply and join.

Pretty much these days, new members won't have that much sway. As we saw in Johannesburg, China pretty much steamrolled everyone in almost getting everyone in there that it cared about. Question is who comes next.

Indonesia has to be high on that list and same with Algeria. Beyond that Turkey is fine and so is Venezuela, because they have oil

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Question is how can China tap and control more of that Venezuelan oil. It needs a whole lot of investment to resume pumping
The thing is India and turkey with both having veto power will be extremely hard to agree on anything. It's very hard to find pro chinese countries that turkey and India will allow to join.
 

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I had posted in the other thread that Haifa port is no longer majority owned by China, the Indians took it over. Be on the lookout for the Americans to pressure the Greeks to kick China out of Piraeus too at some point.
where do you get that?

Shanghai International port group (SIPG) has 25 years operating right of the NEW container port of Haifa, NOT the whole Haifa port, NOR the old port. The Indian Adani group bought the old port.

See Reuters report in January 2023, the SIPG port is on the other side of bay in Haifa.

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it would sell the port in Haifa, a major trade hub on the Mediterranean, to winning bidders Adani Ports
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and local chemicals and logistics group Gadot.

China's Shanghai International Port Group (SIPG) last year opened a new port across the bay in Haifa.


The report mentioned nothing else about SIPG's right/contract.
 
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Chinese funded 600MW hydro station is coming online in Uganda and the locals look very happy about it

good to have a pro-China Vietnamese here talking about Vietnam's current foreign policy of placing China at top
Vietnam's PM is attending China-ASEAN Expo in Nanning. Seems like pretty good thing from my pov.

Development of Northern Sea route is huge for China. now you can buy Russian oil from Western part of Russia and have it shipped to China without going through the usual chokepoints. At the same time, China's shipping to Russia's baltic Oblasts and Northern Europe just got a lot easier
 

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Development of Northern Sea route is huge for China. now you can buy Russian oil from Western part of Russia and have it shipped to China without going through the usual chokepoints. At the same time, China's shipping to Russia's baltic Oblasts and Northern Europe just got a lot easier
The Bering Strait (between Russia's Kamchatka and US' Alaska) and Soya Strait (between Russia's Sakhalin and Japan's Hokkaido) could still be a significant problem, assuming that Vladivostok can be used as destination port to unload oil before transporting them to neighbouring Heilongjiang.

Of course, for this to happen would require Russia to:
1 - Be neutral in case of China-US conflict, and
2 - Have a lot of Russian-flagged oil and gas tankers at their disposal.

If the destination port is in China, then there's the Korea Strait or the Miyako Strait, which is definitely a big no-no.

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The Bering Strait (between Russia's Kamchatka and US' Alaska) and Soya Strait (between Russia's Sakhalin and Japan's Hokkaido) could still be a significant problem, assuming that Vladivostok can be used as destination port to unload oil before transporting them to neighbouring Heilongjiang.

Of course, for this to happen would require Russia to:
1 - Be neutral in case of China-US conflict, and
2 - Have a lot of Russian-flagged oil and gas tankers at their disposal.

If the destination port is in China, then there's the Korea Strait or the Miyako Strait, which is definitely a big no-no.
Bering straits is an issue. If China cannot control Miyako strait or keep south Korea out of the conflict by certain point in the conflict, then it has bigger issues.

China meeting with Zambia and agree to help upgrade Tazara railway, use local currency among many other things
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Li Qiang meeting many high level officials as part of China-ASEAN expo
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including PMs from Malaysia & Cambodia
 

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This is China's move to join global south and continue to encourage joint forces. I'm a little disappointed they did not send someone more senior along. Brazil sent Lula. Maybe China should've sent Li Qiang or someone like that

Xi to meet Assad in a few days
 

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Do we know how veto power work in SCO?
All member has veto power. Like how Tajikistan delayed Iranian membership
There is no SCO treaty in which a veto power would be described. When Iran joined, no parliaments in member countries had to approve it like in NATO or EU member states. So if China and Russia want a country to be a member, it will be. Any of the other countries can not show up to the next summit if they don't like it.

Obviously in practice China and Russia wouldn't want to offend any members so wouldn't overrule their objections. So if my understanding of the legal situation is correct, India could just be uninvited if they seriously offended all the other members, eg by persecuting Muslim citizens and signing a mutual defence treaty with the US or started a war with another member state eg by attacking Pakistan or China. It's just like how Russia got kicked out of the G8
 
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