Frankly I don't care who's at fault regarding the China-India hostile relationship, all I'm saying is that fighting India over some useless mountains is not worth alienating India because China has bigger things to worry about.
Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) and Global South strategic cooperation
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That is obvious as Kazakhastan is the largest and most populous country among the 5. An interesting fact is that Tokayev has a very long history with China. In Chinese diplomatic convention he would be regarded as "old friend".
Successfully suppress China... Lol.
And precisely because of BRICs and the SCO that the US will be less and less successful trying to suppress the rest of the world.
The Quad is dead, lol. Or are you going to claim next that the Blue Dot Network is a successful anti BRI initiative too?
India's ambition doesn't stop at just a few useless mountains. China has engaged with India but failed and China shouldn't make the same mistake again. India can't be trusted and relied upon as India has incited multiple borders clash over the years and whenever it feels China is vulnerable or disengaged.
As India can't threaten China, so alienating India won't be an issue. When you can't reason and deal with an enemy, then it is best to make them learn not to mess with you.
China has a lot of things to worry about. But China is also a powerful country. Adding an extra enemy to the list of other powerful countries won't be a problem for China especially as India isn't much of a threat and can't do much of damage to China. It is better off for China to put India into its place rather than giving India the illusion that it could challenge China and poke China without consequences. Therefore, China's hardline response to India is appropriate and justifiable.
US seems to backed Qatar
manqiangrexue
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No, the cornerstone of an amicable relationship is respect of your strength. If you sacrifice your own interests for better relations, the lesson that you teach is that to get something out of you, one only needs to push you until you give concessions. Then, they will start again and take more, and you will back off again because you don't want to make an enemy. It is endless. If you want a real relationship that is worth having, the other party must respect your strength and want to be your friend as it fears being your enemy. When China and India end hostilities, it will be because India has realized that with the entire West defeated by China's challenge, India has no chance so it had better make compromises to earn China's grace or it will suffer. It's the only positive relationship worth having with India.
is it worth it for India to alienate China though?
India is trying to capitalize on the West-China decoupling trend to position itself as the West's new manufacturing hub, so I'd say yes. India has good relations with all the developed world and wants to industrialize so India is not too desperate to better relations with China.
The smart play for China is to better relations with India and encourage India to compete in services rather than manufacturing. Keep in mind that just as the West runs a big merchandise trade deficit with China and wants to diversify to countries like India, China runs a big service deficit with the West and should diversity into countries like India. In this way, it would prevent India from becoming an industrial competitor, encourage more competition between India and the West, and gain more leverage over it and diversify from the West.
Normally I would agree with you but we are not in a normal situation. The US has mobilized all the developed world against China and is actively goading India against China. They are doing joint military exercises at China's borders.
I simply think that the US-China competition is too existential for China to be distracted by anything else. If China can do anything to bring US allies to be neutral it should do it.
manqiangrexue
Brigadier
Just like Chess, you can't focus only on killing the enemy king ignoring the rooks/bishops/knights that come to attack you. All of his underlings need to be targetted and killed if they come after you until they are too scared to come after you. Then you can look that coward king in the eyes with no one left to fight for him and you go for him.
Yes, China can do something. Scare them stiff and/or beat them into submission. It is the only thing to be done. If you're scared to get tough on India, then forget about the US; bow down and go home. India's not even an appetizer compared to American power. You want to offer land concessions to someone to placate them? That's like feeding your finger to a shark hoping it'll get full and leave! It now wants to tear you to chunks and eat all of it! The only way to deal with a shark is a spear through its head and the only way to deal with Indian aggression is to kill their soldiers and let them know they won't get off as easily as they did in 1962 this time.